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04-19-2006, 10:03 AM
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| | | What a interesting set of observations. To my eye it certainly looks odd. I tried looking at in photoshop then using sort of cone shaped overlays to mimic where each highlight vs shadow would be coming from.
I certainly got confused.
The clouds indicate the sun is almost straight above. If I were standing in the field with her, standing sort of right in front of her,
oh never mind, lol, too complicated for me to try and explain my thoughts.
I suppose all the different light directions could not be explained by the use of photographers bounced light reflectors. The light is too intense in certain areas for that explanation.
The cat is definitely an addtion, In reality, it's paw on her leg would not be so distinct.
The entire image looks to my untrained eye to be a compilation of several elements, both natural and computer generated or very much computer "worked on " elements. I don't think it is the original sky either. The light sorce there looks like it is coming from more then one location.
Sorry for the lack of technical terminology. | 
04-19-2006, 02:37 PM
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| | | That shot is not as Complicated as you all try and make it..
It is a Light source ,above her slightly, (picture left) and a flash to camera right. The first (left)Picture) is either sun or Open light source to mimic sun. I think it is Sun for sure and the other is A rim light, most likely flash.
It is all the Post that thows you off or makes the Picture "look" surreal.
The lighting is actually not that technically good. Heavt shadows and Burn Hightlights. But who cares it's "Art"...:+}
Snook | 
04-19-2006, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by NancyJ 2 light sources means 2 shadows... she has only 1. | I think in this photo, trying to find a natural explanation to the lighting/shadows across the entire photo is like trying to figure out how the gardener was able to perfectly mow DIESEL into the grass and where they were able to find such a tiny lawn mower.
It is obvious the photo has been worked on out of camera. My point is the girl was lit predominantly from two light sources (and then heavily retouched). | 
04-19-2006, 03:17 PM
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| | hehehe, gotta love an image, and consequent discussion about it, like this. i can actually find 4 separate light sources on this image, so artificial lighting just doesnt account for all of it. look closely at the 'sun' light source, then at the angle she's standing, then at the cat, and then at her left side (camera right). it just doesnt add up
but, oddly, it's still an interesting image.
craig
edit: oh, and if you look REAL closely, you may even find a fifth source. | 
04-19-2006, 03:52 PM
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| | | 3 images (maybe 4) First, the girl was shot alone. The lighting almost reminds me of Philip-Lorca diCorcia, (but not quite). He was known for ambushing the public with light. If you haven't heard of him, Google him and check it out.
I think the girl had 2 light sources... probably strobe, but it's hard to tell because she was composited into another image, where the lighting is very diffused. She could have been lit with natural light and a reflector. Now that I'm really looking at it, there was a shot of a winter or fall landscape where the grass was either colorized, or was stripped in from another shot. The sky could also be from a separate image, where the clouds may have been embelished as well.
The cat... who knows? In today's digital world, who would ever believe that the cat happened to pose like that when they shot the girl? | 
04-20-2006, 01:42 PM
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| | | Hi guys and gals... I'm a reader... been a FM guy for a while and just really got into the forum thing recently (what an awesome idea for the web)... anyway... there's a photographer on FredMiranda... Marcellus... gets the same results... he exposes the background for -2 to -6 stops... adds fill flash... softbox camera right and bounce camera left...
Then, as all sweet post processing goes these days (so it seems - w/ Fiscus et al) the take a highlights-based Alpha mask on a Curves Adjustment layer. Tighten up that curve, and viola. | 
04-21-2006, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Daviskw | MERCI! Thanks Butch!
About the lighting I think that's quite simple.....
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04-21-2006, 01:39 PM
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| | | An alternate method is to duplicate the layer and set the mode to multiply. The ad a layer mask and paint in the highlights. This works particularly well because both layers contain the same image so there is no way to screw up. If multiply doesn't get the image dark enough for your taste you can always go to your curves or levels and darken even more. Once you mask the highlights back in you'll achieve a balance again. Of course there is also the color tweaking and possible lighting effects that will help complete the look. | 
04-24-2006, 09:22 AM
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| | | ehm this seems like simple hdr to me
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04-24-2006, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Faust |
Actually, if you think about it hdr uses the same principles we've been discussing, the differnce being you get much less control. Besides, when there are people or moving objects you're pretty much out of luck. | 
04-24-2006, 08:22 PM
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| | | My guess is that the girl was shot in a studio, but maybe not.
The girl is keyed from camera left. If you zoom into the pastoral background, between the two dead trees, the trees in the background have shadows about the same angle as the key. The clouds seem consistant with this also.
The light on her left cheek and leg is either a fill-flash from a soft box or a light or flash through a silk. This fill softens the shadow from the key which should be harder. It would appear that the fill softens any other clothes or the shadows beneath her.
I dont' believe she is 3D. Over smoothed, plasticised skin.
The cat; well, what can I say.
K | 
05-10-2006, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by goose443 Actually, if you think about it hdr uses the same principles we've been discussing, the differnce being you get much less control. Besides, when there are people or moving objects you're pretty much out of luck. | the trick is taking a picture in raw and exporting various exposures out of it, at reasonable iso without any obvious quality loss. but it´s a bit off topic anyway, I know |
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