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01-08-2002, 04:27 PM
| | Senior Member | | Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Washington State/Pacific Northwest
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| | | I don't know if this helps but when I did retouching for my Mom's 25th wedding ann. pics I did a few double chin fix ups....she was sooooo happy. It helped with the way her face was facing to just basically carve out a chin (side viewish) but for the hard shot like you just posted I used the smudge tool sparingly and played around with the different settings, mostly just to pull from the background into the chin, it did help....moved up the collar a bit to cover and darkened the sides of the face slightly and bottom of chin....also lighted the crease mark. Blur a little....In the end I didn't create a new person but made her much happier! Hope this makes sense and helps some. | 
01-08-2002, 08:43 PM
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| | | here are the before and after...i was trying not destroy the skin texture..i ended up doing mostly sculpting..i also cloned away wrinkles a la paulette..on the right side i both eliminated and added some facial lines and softened the light directly under the shadow of the chin line, on the right i shaped the neck and adjusted the blinds and the sweater. your thoughts and ideas would be appreciated. i hope these pictures come through....don
oops..lost my image and don't know how to get it back...see later post for image...
Last edited by DonB0130; 01-09-2002 at 04:23 AM.
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01-08-2002, 09:23 PM
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| | don,
that is a vast improvement. i think you did great. but i wonder if , since she is wearing what appears to be a loosish turtleneck if you couldn't go ahead and bring the turtleneck all the way up to that first chin line. it wouldn't be an uncommon way to wear it and would completely disguise the problem. unless you want to keep her at least a little humble. | 
01-08-2002, 09:26 PM
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| | | or you could come in with sweater on the left side of her neck/chin kind of like ) that shape, make what we know is really chin look more like neck. i tried to download but it came out too tiny to work on. | 
01-08-2002, 10:21 PM
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| | Excellent job Don. Looks like you figured it out on your own and did a fantastic job doing it. It's not easy reworking facial features. Especially when the original bone structures are hidden. Good going. Like how you brought the collar up as well and just left a hint of neck beneath the chin. Maybe we should be asking you for lessons here. 
DJ | 
01-08-2002, 11:31 PM
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| | That is great! Looks so very natural and probably what she really looks like when she isn't making that face! I know, I make that same face  I bet she loves it! | 
01-09-2002, 04:16 AM
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| | | i keep trying to load a larger image but am having trouble...trying again....don
this is bigger..i am going to try to delete the smaller image and redownload on my original message...but leave this here just in case.... | 
01-09-2002, 05:24 AM
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| | | Well, I must say I'm impressed. This turned out very well. And not just for Don. | 
01-09-2002, 07:18 AM
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| | | kathleen,
i tried your approach by just raising the sweater...it worked and it was much quicker...but a little humbleness isn't bad....don | 
01-09-2002, 01:35 PM
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| | Don,
Bravo!
that REALLY turned out terrific. Did a much better job than I would have.
I didn't think about your technique on the sweater. I need to try that myself in case something like that crosses my desk.
Rick | 
01-10-2002, 12:19 PM
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| | | Nice idea about raising the sweater.What a difference!Something else that I did once when I was working on a picture of someone who was having a bad neck day( no not HRH) was clone on some jewelry. I located a website which was selling jewelry and selected a large pearl choker for my subject to wear. It worked so well that I went back to the site and made up a little jewelry collection for further needs.
PC | 
01-20-2002, 10:47 AM
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| | Ack, I didn't see the second page to this thread until I'd done my version. I thought my approach of raising the neckline was unique!  Lightening the shadow of the chin also helped.
Anyway I'll still post for comments. | 
01-23-2002, 07:50 PM
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| | | DonB,
How's this? I used WinImages "remove feature" operator and it's localized geometric pinch operator. About five minutes work. You'd take longer for a serious attempt, but I think this shows the general approach pretty well - see attachment. | 
01-24-2002, 04:07 AM
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| | | PHI,
looks good. i think i'll try to play around with the "pinch" type operaters and see what i can do with them. thanks for the thought. don | 
01-31-2002, 03:58 PM
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| | | Don, yep that's a bad chin and Rick is right about angle etc. Her chin wouldn't be so bad except fot the lighting and that dingdong sweater thing. I was off work today because of an ice storm so I played with your chin, Don, sorry. Here are my quick solutions for an 8X10 max print. |
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