Photo Retouching - - The demystification of dave hill! let's all help! - Page 42

crazyfly1 · #**616** 05-19-2008, 02:45 PM

Mtmm, two possible responses to that. One is "I don't have the luxury of working on an origional raw, post the larger image please."
The other is "look at this picture, halos? hmmmm.?

Mtmm · #**617** 05-19-2008, 03:25 PM

That is no halo, its jpg artifacts. And as you see on the shirt and on his face, that is some serious dodge and burning there.

And if I take the retouching further, I can create more highlites and shadows with first softing the skin with linear light layer with gaussian and high pass keeping the detail in the skin. Then using first white with "select color range" and then again d/b heavily.

This is just an overdone demo with extracted photo.

And this is not even close Dave Hill, but with a good lighting you can do some heavy retouch without damaging the photo with halos and other shit. I still believe, that Dave is going through the whole photo with d/b and then he does his magic.

Key point still is a good lighting with enough highlites and shadow detail.

http://www.bodynet.fi/kuvat/raw3.jpg

crazyfly1 · #**618** 05-19-2008, 03:33 PM

Don't want to share the origional??

Mtmm · #**619** 05-19-2008, 03:42 PM

Nope. There is some good raw files on other threads. Try to look some photos where is already good highlites to work with. If you try to do those highlites from the scratch, it does not work so well. And of course if you are working with a file that is going to be on any printable media, you got to control magenta with an adjustment layer (curves) or with other method. You can go by numbers working in cmyk space. Keep yellow over magenta.

JD Spears · #**620** 05-19-2008, 03:49 PM

deja vu! Anybody around 20 years ago remember this same conversation. Then it was Arron Jones.

Ich.Mario · #**621** 05-20-2008, 02:57 AM

very good. could you please explain a little more precicely what you've done. your english is a little bit too crumpled for me

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mtmm

That is no halo, its jpg artifacts. And as you see on the shirt and on his face, that is some serious dodge and burning there.

And if I take the retouching further, I can create more highlites and shadows with first softing the skin with linear light layer with gaussian and high pass keeping the detail in the skin. Then using first white with "select color range" and then again d/b heavily.

This is just an overdone demo with extracted photo.

And this is not even close Dave Hill, but with a good lighting you can do some heavy retouch without damaging the photo with halos and other shit. I still believe, that Dave is going through the whole photo with d/b and then he does his magic.

Key point still is a good lighting with enough highlites and shadow detail.

http://www.bodynet.fi/kuvat/raw3.jpg

Mtmm · #**622** 05-20-2008, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ich.Mario

very good. could you please explain a little more precicely what you've done. your english is a little bit too crumpled for me

Crumpled or not, my basic point is to use enough good lighting. I just wanted to explain how important lighting is when trying to emulate Dave Hill. It definitely is not only photoshop as so many is thinking. And always, retouch your photos in full resolution. In this thread I see only few good photos, rest of the photos are that same old shit trying to do it all in photoshop generating terrible halos.

Ich.Mario · #**623** 05-20-2008, 03:48 AM

lighting, d&b

Mtmm · #**624** 05-20-2008, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Ich.Mario

lighting, d&b

You got to understand light to use d&b in a right way. In your photo there is a light source on the right side, there should not be shadow on the right side of models face. When you generate highlites and shadows, you can manipulate those with d&b just increasing lighter areas. Dont create new shadows, just manipulate existing ones. But mainly your photo is closer than 90% of this thread photos.

And these are only my opinions, not absolute facts.

Ich.Mario · #**625** 05-20-2008, 04:44 AM

yes, you're right. this shadow on the face is wrong. i tried desperately to make a shadow on the side, and thats the effect: it looks wrong and not good.

superkoax · #**626** 05-20-2008, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD Spears

deja vu! Anybody around 20 years ago remember this same conversation. Then it was Arron Jones.

oh? any good guides on where to find pictures from him?

thanks...

crazyfly1 · #**627** 05-20-2008, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superkoax

oh? any good guides on where to find pictures from him?

thanks...

NOOoooooOOooooooo!!
Nobody tell!

JD Spears · #**628** 05-20-2008, 02:51 PM

Actually, It's Aaron Jones. My bad.
http://www.repertoireart.com/news_views/photo_legends/jones.htm[/url]
His style may look like a lot off people in the ninetys but he was the first.
Sorry Crazyfly

JD Spears · #**629** 05-20-2008, 02:53 PM

http://www.repertoireart.com/news_vi..._legends/jones

crazyfly1 · #**630** 05-20-2008, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD Spears

Actually, It's Aaron Jones. My bad.
http://www.repertoireart.com/news_views/photo_legends/jones.htm[/url]
His style may look like a lot off people in the ninetys but he was the first.
Sorry Crazyfly

No problem, totally kidding, welcome relief from...
sorry, lost my train of thought, started thinking about pie.

Anyway, your right he was an innovator. He also had the benefit of being a pretty skilled photographer.