Photo Retouching - - The demystification of dave hill! let's all help! - Page 54

rudym · #**796** 07-02-2008, 04:40 PM

http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?th...=4#post6516764

skydog · #**797** 07-02-2008, 07:15 PM

Yep..I hate posters like Mtmm...who show something interesting to basically say "look how good I am", but then never show s#%*! as to process!

Snook...in one of your earlier threads you said you figured how to get certain looks like Ficus etc...when I asked for you to post the process you've figured out...you never responded...where basically are you in the quest and what can you share?

snook305 · #**798** 07-03-2008, 10:59 AM

SkyDog sorry never saw it.. I pop in and out and really too busy to go through all my Post..:+]
What you need?
Just let me know or direct me to that post and I can help as much as possible..:+}

I sometimes have a shooting binge of 2-3 weeks straight and too tired to look through here..
The look is not that hard it is knowing when to stop or Pull the opacity 's to your liking etc...
Bust basic Desaturating slightly the image to your liking and the Dodging and Burning.. The I used to do Lucis in Small increments and then put those on a Luminosity Blend mode as not to get the Skin shadows to Orangy, If you have used lucis you know what I mean, Then back off the Opacity and then running (smoothing) de-noising if some sorts and then doing Contrast Sharpening Mask to liking.. You kind of build it up until you feel it is right.
Now I always did these on Pictures that I have Shot that were actually in a Cool environment or background.. I never had to do Compositing..
In order to get the Look right Dave does tons Of compositing...
Anyways what I posted before was that dave ha the Sheen/ Over saturated Colors unlike other guys muted colors..
I got close to that with after doing all the above I would use the Nik Color FX filter Midnight sepia or Blue depending on if you want the Color Cold or Warm.
Then would mask that off most of the skin until it look right.
You can see quite Clearly all the D&B strokes in Daves work and how he has Exaggerated the Highlight on the clothing etc...
Have you ever Dodged and Burned on Jeans and then Saturated them... they look the same as DH.

Recently I have been playing with S&H instead of Lucis and getting a similar effect..
Also there is a great filter called Mr. Contrast that is really quite cool also if you do not know about it.
In any case just thought I would add some stuff here as Sky Dogs got left out maybe on some of my post...:+}
I rarely use this technique cuz it is pretty old already and the "Look" Nowadays is going towards Clean UN TOUCHED Tendency...
SOme times do the "Dragan" style where you take the Blue channel and send it to Multiply or Overlay etc... also adds to the look if you need..
Snook

skydog · #**799** 07-04-2008, 05:00 AM

Snook...thanks....

this is what you said earlier:
"MrKronk I agree with many of your statements..:+}
No one has to do anything...
I also have the D&H look as much as I want.
I actually have not done it to any pictures in over a year now..I always had problems with the skin with lucis.. that is when I learned the Luminosity layer, which helps a lot but still not the best for people.
I was really standing up for many hear and quite sick of the "Hey Look I can do it too" And I am not going to tell you...:}
Those type of people are NOT what these forums are about...:+}
Otherwise go put your stuff up on flicker and not here...:+}
You all know what I mean. you weren't born yesterday I imagine...
Snook"

I was just wondering what you have figured out in your quest thus far with regards to Fiscus type look.

rudym · #**800** 07-04-2008, 06:02 AM

Snook35 can you show one of your images using the above workflow when you have time.
Skydog can you show your DH look on one of your images with workflow if possible.

Thank you in advance.

longside1 · #**801** 07-04-2008, 07:07 AM

Hi guys,

Sorry to be a pest but I would really appreciate some feedback on this shot below:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3165/...01489b4f_b.jpg

Incidentally, the model is my pops!

skydog · #**802** 07-04-2008, 08:08 AM

That's my problem...I don't have a DH look, but wish I could create one.

Longside...like the car...like the background...don't like the skin.

javanto · #**803** 07-05-2008, 01:27 PM

hey longside1 your photo looks good. this is my feed back.
if we go to dave hill I think it is not only lighting that lot's of people here are talking about.
when you look his photos you can see that buildings and other background issues are also manipulated. with extra lights your can not affect buildings which are hundred meters away from main subject. so my opinnion is that he uses a lot of picture manipulation. maybe he use lights for main subject but background etc. has been manipulated.
this is my amateur opinnion.
please study kid rock's career, he rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JD Spears · #**804** 07-05-2008, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by longside1

Hi guys,

Sorry to be a pest but I would really appreciate some feedback on this shot below:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3165/...01489b4f_b.jpg

Incidentally, the model is my pops!

Though not necessarily a compliment, I could believe it was taken by Dave Hill. What did your Pops & family think about it.
BTW.. When I said "not necessarily a compliment" It is very good, It's just that I personally believe in inspiration over imitation.

Calvinhollywood · #**805** 07-05-2008, 05:11 PM

*bookmark*

wow...still running*g*

lg Calvin

longside1 · #**806** 07-06-2008, 01:59 AM

Just if anyone is interested, the shot of my Dad is a composite, with him and the car being superimposed on a different background.

I'm really pleased with the result and it's glad to know that all the cash I've pumped into off camera flash is starting to pay dividends because as we all know, the DH look cannot be achieved without flash!

@JD SPears....thanks for the "compliment" I totally agree with you, inspiration is better over imitation. Dave Hill has inspired me to get off my arse, start studying flash photography...invest in my camera gear...begin to study Photoshop like never before.....

In an ideal world I'd have the creative ability to come up with my own style, buts sadly I don't have the ability to do this YET. As is I study more and more the styles of different photographers, as I'm doing now in this thread, I'm sure my own technique will evolve.

Another point to remember, is that if your commercially involved in photography, what would you do if a potential client approached you and said, "I love the style of this photographer called Dave Hill....I want my shoot like that". Would you respond with, "Nope sorry pal, I'm afraid I don't imitate the work of others!?" I don't think so!!

skydog · #**807** 07-06-2008, 05:03 AM

Longside...what equipment are your using?..What lights...what camera.

JD Spears · #**808** 07-06-2008, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by longside1

Just if anyone is interested, the shot of my Dad is a composite, with him and the car being superimposed on a different background.

I'm really pleased with the result and it's glad to know that all the cash I've pumped into off camera flash is starting to pay dividends because as we all know, the DH look cannot be achieved without flash!

@JD SPears....thanks for the "compliment" I totally agree with you, inspiration is better over imitation. Dave Hill has inspired me to get off my arse, start studying flash photography...invest in my camera gear...begin to study Photoshop like never before.....

In an ideal world I'd have the creative ability to come up with my own style, buts sadly I don't have the ability to do this YET. As is I study more and more the styles of different photographers, as I'm doing now in this thread, I'm sure my own technique will evolve.

Another point to remember, is that if your commercially involved in photography, what would you do if a potential client approached you and said, "I love the style of this photographer called Dave Hill....I want my shoot like that". Would you respond with, "Nope sorry pal, I'm afraid I don't imitate the work of others!?" I don't think so!!

Good point! And no, I wouldn't say that. I would say "Show me the money!". But thats only because I'm in a very unique situation that I need more money.

Mtmm · #**809** 07-06-2008, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Dave Hill has inspired me to get off my arse, start studying flash photography...invest in my camera gear...begin to study Photoshop like never before.....

Word!
.......

smak · #**810** 07-06-2008, 02:42 PM

>>>>>>> .begin to study Photoshop like never before.....

That's what all people are doing who study other artists.

If you play guitar, you listen to guitar players and try to see if you can play like them. Everybody does it - learning Beatles songs, Jimi Hendrix solos. Then, if you want to take your act on the road, you develop your own style. You might incorporate some those styles into your own. Ever hear someone say, "That band sounds like the early Rolling Stones"?

Nothing wrong with trying to imitate the best when you are learning.