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The demystification of dave hill! let's all help!

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Old 08-24-2008, 06:22 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

i'll try to grab a copy.
but not sure i can find it in belgium
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Old 08-24-2008, 06:25 PM
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http://www.digitalslrphoto.com/magaz...test-issue.php
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Old 08-24-2008, 08:05 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

Hi all! I'm back! Dave Hill!
Well I know he uses quite a quick post-process, quick, meaning probably less than half a day post per photo. I'm fairly sure he uses Canon and positive he uses Profoto gear, not that that matters. You don't need 22mp med format cameras to do this.

I know it's pretty standard but, try renting a Ring flash (NOT the tiny canon one), two location strobes (1000W+ ) and "scamp"… do drawings of where you think he places his lights. He does indeed use A LOT of lighting but the three i mentioned is a great start for a portrait.

I hope this is okay advice, you won't get his look but you'll get your own. I suspect Dave uses a lot of masking, maybe some HDR, but definitely dodge&burn layers and colour adjust layers. That's what give's you your own magic.

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Old 08-24-2008, 08:12 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

You're on the right track with the flash.
This photo is quite flat though. Seriously, watch music videos, watch a Michael Bay movie if you can stand it, good movie one sheets also.

Underexposing the background is a good start but this a one's a little too underexposed: Just a suggestion but try this:

Place your lights weather it's two flashes or sun and flash, faceing each other but at 45˚ to your model. The highlight (the light, behind the model) should be a bare head or the sun, the key light is nice if you can make it big and soft and a couple of stops lower (or further away) than the highlight.

If you've already tried this, ignore me!! BUt i've found it to be a great starting point for modeling the face : you'll see similar techniques in Bay movies, posters, paintings.

Look forward to seeing more!
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Old 08-27-2008, 08:48 AM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

Ring flash is so cool as a fill light. I did buy a third Ranger generator just for ring because it always is too powerful at close distance.
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Old 08-27-2008, 08:54 AM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

I've just bought a ringflash and intend to have a play with it this weekend....I can't wait! With regards to DH's use of black electrical tape, to be quite honest i think he was taking the pi$$ !

@Mtmm...you'll be pleased to hear this question has nothing to do with post processing workflow! How do you arrange your lights in relation to the subject?

After looking at the behind the scenes videos, it woulld appear that DH uses a couple of kickers, ringflash fill plus in some instances brolly fill. He also also uses a number of lights positioned very high in relation to the subject, aiming down on them.

I'm still learning about the principles of light, whilst I understand the purpose behind all the other forms of lighting, this use of high positioned light I find baffling.

Any thoughts?

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Old 08-27-2008, 09:30 AM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

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@Mtmm...you'll be pleased to hear this question has nothing to do with post processing workflow! How do you arrange your lights in relation to the subject?
http://mike.pakkotoisto.com/?p=404

This is a 3-point setup plus 2 kickers for background.

Does anyone konw what Dave did mean by saying "desaturate blacks"?
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Old 08-27-2008, 09:49 AM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

I haven't read the thread. But the images on Dave Hill's website reminded me of this one:

http://www.dphotographer.co.uk/users...ro_digging.jpg

In the mag, Jarmo Glader explains (by my memory):
"I used one ringflash and one strobe. The eerie ligthing is what creates the 3d-like effect."

Now take it into Photoshop and exaggerate this effect further, and we're close.
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Old 08-27-2008, 10:09 AM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

Mtmm-

Select color rannge - Blacks

With that selection going, create a mask with it and then desaturate that masked layer.

This gives even more contrast.
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Old 08-27-2008, 10:15 AM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

That sharp high contrast look is what I always wonder, how does he do that. In G-Unit photos that is so present.
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