The demystification of dave hill! let's all help!

[cheshirepoet]

I definitely love Dave Hill's style, but really when you look at his photos, most don't have much depth to them. But photographers like Jim Fiscus and Bill Simone have much more interesting subject matter...their images are more storytelling and interesting to look at, imo. Dave Hill almost seems like a one-trick pony, strip the processing away from his images and what are you left with? Don't mean to fuel the fire, again I love how he processes his images, but I don't believe he is the best.

[superkoax]

sistere: I don't think he would speak up, but maybe just for once he would just see how long this thread has come and just enlighten us a bit...just a tad Lol...Count me in!!! hehe...I would love to visit one of his shoots...Heck, I think even being the coffeeguy has a long waiting list ...

[superkoax]

Originally Posted by cheshirepoet

I definitely love Dave Hill's style, but really when you look at his photos, most don't have much depth to them. But photographers like Jim Fiscus and Bill Simone have much more interesting subject matter...their images are more storytelling and interesting to look at, imo. Dave Hill almost seems like a one-trick pony, strip the processing away from his images and what are you left with? Don't mean to fuel the fire, again I love how he processes his images, but I don't believe he is the best.

I can agree there...But some of his picture are very "light! while fiscus pictures are very complex, but fiscus also have light pictures...But DH gives more humor to his pictures then fiscus does...
Some goes for advanced humor and storytelling, others for the simple stuff...

[cheshirepoet]

Originally Posted by superkoax

I can agree there...But some of his picture are very "light! while fiscus pictures are very complex, but fiscus also have light pictures...But DH gives more humor to his pictures then fiscus does...
Some goes for advanced humor and storytelling, others for the simple stuff...

That's why I particularly love Bill Simone's photos...his are full of detail, great lighting, and there's quite a few humorous ones. My favorite is a photo at a tattoo parlor...in the forefront is the shop owner, while behind him is a girl getting her rear tattooed and another employee is pretending to read a magazine while he steals peaks. Hill's photos are definitely humorous...my favorite of his is of Jon Heder on the slide, lol...too hilarious.

[superkoax]

I seen his pictures...The tattoo shop is very good...i like his fashion pictures as well...the woman ion the forest is very good...I like how he uses the dof maybe he has a TiltShift lens? But his retouching is very similar to both DH and Patrick Hoelck! His darker portrait looks very like PH...

[Mtmm]

Never heard of Simone, but oh my f'king god how cool photography, thanks!

edit- We have a winner, Simone is the best! Absolutely brilliant retouching!

[superkoax]

Originally Posted by Mtmm

Never heard of Simone, but oh my f'king god how cool photography, thanks!

edit- We have a winner, Simone is the best! Absolutely brilliant retouching!

he's top notch yes, but I miss some of the sharper egde from him that DH has...have you heard about Erwin Olaf? That's wizard with good overall light not in the same category as Hill or simone, but very closeø...

http://www.erwinolaf.com/

[Mtmm]

Yes, Erwin is old news, but damn good. This Simone, I have no words, amazing!

[Mtmm]

BTW, there is some cool backstage footage at Bill´s blog. 10 thousand sg. feet studio with insane lightsystem. I feel so small.

[superkoax]

mtmm: seen it before...to get good results, you need to be stacked with money

[cheshirepoet]

Lol, well perhaps I am a little biased since I work for Bill, but expensive equipment isn't what determines your results, they're just tools and it's how you use them that gives you great results. Bill told me how years ago he use to teach an adult evening class at a college on photography, and someone said the same thing. So he had everyone go to his studio for the next class and let them use anything they wanted. Even with all of that at their disposal, they were disappointed with their results. Bill then proceeded by setting up a little still life shot, hung up a white bed sheet, and used a clamp light from Lowe's and took a beautiful shot.

Mtmm, I'm glad you like the blog !

[superkoax]

Originally Posted by cheshirepoet

Lol, well perhaps I am a little biased since I work for Bill, but expensive equipment isn't what determines your results, they're just tools and it's how you use them that gives you great results. Bill told me how years ago he use to teach an adult evening class at a college on photography, and someone said the same thing. So he had everyone go to his studio for the next class and let them use anything they wanted. Even with all of that at their disposal, they were disappointed with their results. Bill then proceeded by setting up a little still life shot, hung up a white bed sheet, and used a clamp light from Lowe's and took a beautiful shot.

Mtmm, I'm glad you like the blog !

hmmm...I want to believe you so badly, but I'm blinded by my bad results with bad equipment He's talented allright...But it's all about talent and not equipment when it all comes down to it...So being blessed with a talent and to live from it is something not everyone is fortunate to experience...I'm super talented in dish washing, but that's probably it...I don't think I can get a descent living out of that...

[cheshirepoet]

Haha, well, unless you start a reality show about it...maybe join up with that chef one, "Hell's Kitchen". I know what you mean though, I'm pretty artistic but severely lack in creativity except for occasional stroke's of "genius". I'm always in awe of those who ooze creativity from every pore, and I feel extremely lucky to be able to be around someone like that everyday.

[Mtmm]

Koax, now I did the background as well. I just hate masking so much.

http://www.bodynet.fi/mayhem/53.jpg

[superkoax]

mtmm: NOW THAT'S NICE!!! Great work! did you take multiple shot's from the background?

[Mtmm]

I did take only one bg shot and forgot that beauty dish behind me as you can see from the reflection.

http://photographyisrad.com/2007/12/...tty-toney.aspx

Wooo! Dave has updated his blog and that Ghostface Killah's new comedy book is out now. Only 15 dollar. Some of the shots are at Dave´s website. Cool!

-edit- ordered

[superkoax]

mtmm: nice! Will check it out after my movie is finished Death Proof by Mr. tarantino

[Mtmm]

Death proof was pretty cool.

[superkoax]

mtmm: Just checked out(yes I know! A bit late) the new pictures from DH...Looking very good! His style fit's comic books...The DH style can remind a bit of comic books...the film was very nice btw! Like roadmovies a lot!

[Mtmm]

Originally Posted by superkoax

mtmm: Just checked out(yes I know! A bit late) the new pictures from DH...Looking very good! His style fit's comic books...The DH style can remind a bit of comic books...the film was very nice btw! Like roadmovies a lot!

Dont expect anything if you are about to watch Planet terror, that sucks big time.

[scottyb70]

Originally Posted by cheshirepoet

Lol, well perhaps I am a little biased since I work for Bill, but expensive equipment isn't what determines your results, they're just tools and it's how you use them that gives you great results. Bill told me how years ago he use to teach an adult evening class at a college on photography, and someone said the same thing. So he had everyone go to his studio for the next class and let them use anything they wanted. Even with all of that at their disposal, they were disappointed with their results. Bill then proceeded by setting up a little still life shot, hung up a white bed sheet, and used a clamp light from Lowe's and took a beautiful shot.

Mtmm, I'm glad you like the blog !

Can you post a link to his website?

[superkoax]

here is the link....EEEEEENJOY!!!!!

http://www.billsimonephotography.com/

[pellepiano]

My images is usually in another style, but this one is leaning somewhat towards the Hill style ( I think ). I could be so wrong =)

http://www.pellepiano.com/thread_ima..._dave_hill.jpg

[pixelzombie]

Originally Posted by pellepiano

My images is usually in another style, but this one is leaning somewhat towards the Hill style ( I think ). I could be so wrong =)

http://www.pellepiano.com/thread_ima..._dave_hill.jpg

those fleshtones are looking good, but i think you could go further...

[scottyb70]

Originally Posted by superkoax

here is the link....EEEEEENJOY!!!!!

http://www.billsimonephotography.com/

Thanks. He does very nice work. Similar to Dave Hill and others.

[superkoax]

Originally Posted by pellepiano

My images is usually in another style, but this one is leaning somewhat towards the Hill style ( I think ). I could be so wrong =)

http://www.pellepiano.com/thread_ima..._dave_hill.jpg

can you tell us abit on how go trough making the shadows down the ground believable??? Just want know the shadows IMO looks good...Are they real or fake?

[pellepiano]

Yes, they are fake =) The ground was very forgiving when painting in some shadows. I used my Wacom Bamboo to just darken some areas under their feet.
The people were shot one by one ( have a very small "studio" ) , extracted and pasted in.

[punkjumper]

Pellepiano, your shot is really cool. it looks like there a masking error with the two on the right. the guys hand is in front of the girl.

[pellepiano]

Yes, amazing I did not see that, I must have retouched the wrong file. I have to do something about that. Looks terrible.

Thanks for pointing that out.

[edit] I changed to another image.

[punkjumper]

Originally Posted by pellepiano

[edit] I changed to another image.

I like that one even better than the other one. The shape and color of the shadows look great but they are at a different angle compared to the other shadows in the background.