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The demystification of dave hill! let's all help!

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Old 09-04-2008, 06:19 AM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

i'll just throw it in the round. copyright dave hill.
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Old 09-04-2008, 06:36 AM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

and an older one. copyright by the master dave hill.

start off!
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Old 09-04-2008, 06:41 AM
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and an older one. copyright by the master dave hill.

start off!
the problem i have with this "before and after" is that for the snapshot with him and john heder, he might not had had his lights setup up or even turned on when that shot was taken, he could have turned all his studio lights off and just turned the actual kitchen light on, that's the kitchen at his studio by the way
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Old 09-04-2008, 06:46 AM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

just one more thing. same picture from lastpost (left), altered with some minor curve adjustments.

oh my god, dave hill does make good lighting and d&b. no plugin? no magic?
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Old 09-04-2008, 06:49 AM
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the problem i have with this "before and after" is that for the snapshot with him and john heder, he might not had had his lights setup up or even turned on when that shot was taken, he could have turned all his studio lights off and just turned the actual kitchen light on, that's the kitchen at his studio by the way
look at the shadows (and the lensflare from kicker). its pretty likely the same light setup. why to shut off some lights for making of pictures? that nobody sees his oh-fuck-its-magic light?

because you got me wrong, i'll make it more clear, what i wanted to say: its lighting and d&b/curves.
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Old 09-04-2008, 06:59 AM
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Nice work curious of your silky smooth skin treatment is it just D&B?
It really is. The overall appearance of smoothness comes from the simplification of tonality transitions. Texture is only visible when it interrupts the path of light and creates shadowed areas. That's why the pixel-level dodging and burning technique is able to produce such amazing results when used to retouch skin. All you're doing when you lighten the dark pixels is simplifying the tones in the skin- making the dark tones closer to the light tones. When you dodge and burn on a macro level, as I did on the skirt and the tights in my photo, you simplify all the little shadows and highlights into large, smooth, patches, creating that appearance of silk or plastic. In the photo of John Heder in DH's kitchen, the same thing is going on- look at the folds in the clothing. A lot of times people will try to recreate the "smooth" effect by blurring and then try to bring back detail by oversharpening. This process merely results in ugly halos and mushy details. When you dodge and burn, you retain all the details that contribute to the signature "hyper-realism" of DH's work.
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Old 09-04-2008, 10:08 AM
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http://www.tmax100.com/peopleimages/pl_images/p49.jpg

A mix og greenberg and Hill. Its all in the light!
In that case, that's bull. Lighting is 20%.

This was the original picture:
http://kundeweb.fotopia.no/users/fotopia.no/råscan.jpg

It's all in the pp.
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Old 09-04-2008, 03:20 PM
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Thanks a lot Natasa... good to see someone from another forum...:+}
Let me know if you ever need anything..
feel free to contact me off line.

Hope all is well...
Snook
Thanks Snook, you have some tough crowd here... hehehehe!!!

You hold the edge as far as photography regardless of DH effect or no.... at the end I'm sure you don't want your every image to look like DH...

Honestly it's nice to be able to decode his technique and use it where it applies (therefore I'm willing to pay $1000 or more to Mtmm and learn) but as I said before you don't want your every image to look like DH... Anyways, furthermore if there was huge room/demand for it Pascal D. would be all over it.... right?

Think about demand of Versace 92' shirts and where are they now... hehehehe!!!

Obviously you and others here have good taste....

PS: Your images don't have Jill Greenberg or Dave Hill look... they have classy Sophisticated Look... more important as far as Longevity, Style, etc..... is concerned!!!

Seriously, I am happy that Mtmm can do it... I just wish that he would belong to top photo agency so he can get high end assignments!!!



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You may have to ignore half the posts in here, but if you weed through you can find some great information
I know... it's a shame, I hope it will change for better!!!
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Old 09-04-2008, 08:00 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

Just got back from the studio... Long ass day...:+}

Natasa Thanks for the nice comments..
I will say I do not want to do the DH hill look at all...
It is already outdated if you ask me...
Plus I can get close enough if needed.
Here is a shot shot with my little Leica camera and the on board flash I shot during vacation.
This one I did with Dodging and Burning playing around in the studio today.
Plus I used the TK contrast mask action which are sweet.
My line of work is top end fashion and Publicity, Not grungy hyper real DH look.
I could shoot circles around Dave Hill any day.. I am sure of that.
Been shooting for over 20 years and I am always trying new stuff.
Dave Hill is basically a One trick Pony from what I have seen.

That Kitchen shot is one of Dave's earlier works and Looks like crap compared to His newer stuff.

Thanks again for the comments and I can handle these Punks in here no problem....:+}

I just like getting them roused up and I hate people like Mtmm that offer no help other than continuing to talk about the Lighting which any first year photographer assistant could do...

The lighting is important but a basic lighting set-up.. No magic there at all.
Yet you seem to have everyone saying yeh dude it is the lighting.. Yeh that is BS and I know that, so that is all that matters...:+}
Thanks again
Snook
My website is about 3-4 years old and maybe 10% of what I do...:+}

PS.. I never said Plug-ins were the way to go.. I just said you could get a similar look with a short cut using some plug-ins on layers and back them off a little.
Obviously if you can do it all by hand,I would for my shot's, Than for sure you should..:+]
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Old 09-05-2008, 04:48 AM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

Are you blind? That attachment it not even on the same planet with Daves work.
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