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Old 09-05-2008, 05:26 AM
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Hey Snook, i appreciate that your last post was to demonstrate that you can get close to DH with plugins etc but I don't think that the shot you used was the best to demonstrate your case! Just looks like way to much fill light.

I do understand where you're coming from though, a plugin may get you close if applied correctly, but if you want the real deal then you have to put in the sweat and tears of a lighting setup and then patient work in PS with the old d and b
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Old 09-05-2008, 08:13 AM
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as has been said a 1000 times before "the lighting is important" but if you look at the before and after of this pic (i know it's not the exact same pic but close) then you can see a vast difference, definately a lot of photoshop going on, remember he does say that he spends more than 70% of his time in front of a computer
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Old 09-05-2008, 08:22 AM
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yay, you got it. lighting has to be right, and then: d&b&curves&d&b&curves&d&b&curves&d&b&curves&d&b&curves. and some skin smooth sometimes
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Old 09-05-2008, 02:14 PM
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as has been said a 1000 times before "the lighting is important" but if you look at the before and after of this pic (i know it's not the exact same pic but close) then you can see a vast difference, definately a lot of photoshop going on, remember he does say that he spends more than 70% of his time in front of a computer
You know, photos will change dramatically when taken by a camera from a monitor.
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Old 09-05-2008, 02:20 PM
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as has been said a 1000 times before "the lighting is important" but if you look at the before and after of this pic (i know it's not the exact same pic but close) then you can see a vast difference, definately a lot of photoshop going on, remember he does say that he spends more than 70% of his time in front of a computer
Certainly- the vast difference here is the excellent compositing being done here - sky, mountains, road, asphalt chips. All that stuff is painstaking to get right and necessary to turn a studio shot into a believable composite. Beyond that, there's not a bunch of *CRAZY* photoshop going on- what you see happening to the wrestler between the before and after shots is exactly what you can expect when you spend a bunch of time dodging and burning and spot-adjusting luminosity with curve layers
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Old 09-05-2008, 02:50 PM
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what you see happening to the wrestler between the before and after shots is exactly what you can expect when you spend a bunch of time dodging and burning and spot-adjusting luminosity with curve layers
Agreed but I think there is one other process that is going on outside of d&b, curves and local luminosity.
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Old 09-05-2008, 03:07 PM
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Certainly- the vast difference here is the excellent compositing being done here - sky, mountains, road, asphalt chips. All that stuff is painstaking to get right and necessary to turn a studio shot into a believable composite. Beyond that, there's not a bunch of *CRAZY* photoshop going on- what you see happening to the wrestler between the before and after shots is exactly what you can expect when you spend a bunch of time dodging and burning and spot-adjusting luminosity with curve layers
i agree, there has been some great compositing done in that shot and many of his shots but i'm not even looking at the background, i am comparing the wrestler and he looks very shiny and clean/crisp looking in the final one, i'm sure if was JUST d&b then someone here or elsewhere on the net would have come up with similar results by now but i am yet to see that
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Old 09-05-2008, 03:14 PM
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i agree, there has been some great compositing done in that shot and many of his shots but i'm not even looking at the background, i am comparing the wrestler and he looks very shiny and clean/crisp looking in the final one, i'm sure if was JUST d&b then someone here or elsewhere on the net would have come up with similar results by now but i am yet to see that
Yep, exactly!
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Old 09-05-2008, 03:36 PM
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i agree, there has been some great compositing done in that shot and many of his shots but i'm not even looking at the background, i am comparing the wrestler and he looks very shiny and clean/crisp looking in the final one, i'm sure if was JUST d&b then someone here or elsewhere on the net would have come up with similar results by now but i am yet to see that
Well there's saturation and color control too, as well as a whole lot of sharpening. Besides that, though, half the reason why you don't see a bunch of people doing it is because everyone wants a shortcut.

Most people don't want to go out, buy a few thousand dollars worth of lights, and learn about overpowering daylight and setting up 5 point lighting. Most people don't want to learn how to *properly* dodge and burn - good D&B layers trace contours so well they resemble figure sketches. Look at Amy Dresser's if you don't believe me. Most people want to get "close enough" with a plug-in, with a 25 minute technique, et cetera. That's why you don't see a bunch of people getting close to the same level.

However, some people take the time and the resources to really pull it off. Take a look at Tim Tadder, for example: http://www.timtadder.com/ Other people in this thread, such as Mtmm, are pretty adept at this style.

The other half of the reason why you don't see everyone doing is because out of the people who *can* do it, i.e., have the resources and the skill, there are several people who simply don't value the aesthetic. Not everyone likes the "illustrated" look. Even more pertinent is the marketability of that look. Several people have already commented in this thread about the "fad" nature of this type of photography/processing. Why would a capable photographer want to emulate the trademark style of someone else? Hell, it's called the DAVE HILL LOOK! :P I can certainly see why someone with the capability wouldn't want to start making photos in this style - you'd forever be branded as an imitation. Even now people call Hill a Fiscus imitation. Would you want to step in after Hill?

My $.02 on the matter.

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Old 09-05-2008, 03:57 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

indeed
does anyone could explain me how to desaturate the blacks?
i didnt figure it out
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