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Old 03-06-2009, 12:16 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

@Craig:
Please forgive me for possibly sounding rude... (and I'm new in this forum as well, so who am I to talk). Anyway...

I like your photography and the result you are getting with your post-processing. However, as this is a Dave Hill-thread and you admit that your technique has nothing to do with Dave Hill, I don't exactly see the point of your posting...
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Old 03-06-2009, 12:39 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

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@Craig:
Please forgive me for possibly sounding rude... (and I'm new in this forum as well, so who am I to talk). Anyway...

I like your photography and the result you are getting with your post-processing. However, as this is a Dave Hill-thread and you admit that your technique has nothing to do with Dave Hill, I don't exactly see the point of your posting...
I did not know there was a guide or rule that a post can only be made if approved by a committee?

Not saying that to be rude, but if a thread takes a twist or turn, I would not be totally surprised or upset unless something was said to anger or insult another member, and I don't think I was rude or insulting to anyone in my two posts.

I did not view every post in this entire thread, being new to the forum, and since this thread is some 1500 posts long, but I saw a link to a site by a photographer named Dave Hill, and I assume that his look is what was being discussed.

Now in talking about that look, you have several aspects to it, one, and it's the one that I relate to more then the glossy visual look, is that of making non traditional portraits, and that is what I was posting, and how I felt my post was relevant to the thread.

I have never studied his work before today, but I take more then the traditional "Monte Zucker" portrait, by the way nothing wrong with a "Monte" portrait.

I knew Monte and did all of his printing for a year clear back in the 70s.

What I am saying is, although although I was trained by Don Blair, Frank Carricco, and Monte as well as Rocky Gun and Dave Munich, I like to take portraits that are not your lovely "standard" look at the camera style portrait when ever I have clients that will let me.

I would advertise for that niche if I was in New York or LA but here in Atlanta it has never really caught on.

Now that I have seen the Dave Hill website, I bookmarked it, I will study it and see if I can figure out his post work a bit, and see if I can come up with the same thing.

Also I would need to shoot more with wide angle, very little that I viewed on the Dave Hill website was taken with a long portrait lens which is what I have used for most of my portrait work, so I need to discover how to get that look, but also work a good bit more with my wide lenses, and see what I can come up with.

Is my work the same as Dave Hill, no never said that, other then it's not that traditional when ever I get a client that is good with me doing my thing.

Maybe I should insist on doing my own thing, but I have been in business so long that to make such a change and not offer the "standard" portrait I just might cut off my nose to spite my face so to speak.

By the way I don't take any comment as rude, unless someone really is rude, and it's obvious, I don't take comments on forums as personal, I take them as informative and try to learn from them.
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Old 03-06-2009, 12:56 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

The closer approach I did to this guy, Dave Hill and to all those guys that do the same thing (Except for Dragan) just because every idiot in the world will buy it (because serious clients don't buy that kind of photos because Dave Hill is not fine art) I did it with other intentions at the end of the year 2006, after 2 years of trying different things and before knowing the HighPass filter as well. You can find these examples here: http://mart1980.deviantart.com/art/A...Xhizo-99087821 and http://mart1980.deviantart.com/art/A...Xhixo-99088034 here http://mart1980.deviantart.com/art/R...II-BW-99087127

and this one was my first try, which is not related to Dave Hills, just to achieve a good metallic tone in grey scaled images and this one was my first one: http://mart1980.deviantart.com/art/F...-King-91205906

Enjoy!
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Old 03-06-2009, 01:00 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

A couple of more in color and only using Capture NX: http://mart1980.deviantart.com/art/A...Lamp-110339194 & http://mart1980.deviantart.com/art/R...ay-II-99087003
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Old 03-06-2009, 08:12 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

Dude Quantum What the heck do your images, whether nice or not, have anything to do with Dave Hill?
I think you should read through the thread from the start maybe.
The hardest thing about dave hill is getting the skin just right.. Your images look way over sharpened and way over saturated which may work for some landscape images or telephone poles etc... But try your formula on people and it will look like crap...:+}

Anyways you have to weed through the "My try" posts in most forums, which just waste forum space.
There are 100's of posts on this thread an about maybe 8-9 are useful and technically correct or in the right direction to get a "Dave Hill" Look which was the Jim Ficus as well as MANY others look before DAve Hill even new what a camera was...:+}
HE just got lucky shooting small upcoming bands in tenessee and as they became famous he became more famous and then made a signature Cartooy Overly photoshopped look which is pretty dead now and we will see what dave hill will do soon?
One Trick Pony?

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Snook

Oh yeh and if you believe Dave Hill when he says he does not HDR to his images... He is full of it.
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Old 03-06-2009, 08:31 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

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HE just got lucky shooting small upcoming bands in tenessee and as they became famous he became more famous and then made a signature Cartooy Overly photoshopped look which is pretty dead now and we will see what dave hill will do soon?
One Trick Pony?

:+}

Snook

Oh yeh and if you believe Dave Hill when he says he does not HDR to his images... He is full of it.
My thoughts exactly! Like an overcooked hamburger, this look, this technique, and all you wanna be dave hills with your bad renditions, as well as this thread is DONE!

So giddy up bithces on your one trick ponies! For crying out loud, internet bandwidth is better suited for porn over this busted thread with which there is 98% hot air and bad images and 2% content
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Old 03-06-2009, 08:41 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

What a bunch of sissy beauty retouchers... I feel myself like in some kind of hairdresser's shop XD JAjajaAJja...
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Old 03-06-2009, 08:58 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

This big look is not even retouching, its more like smothering the image with so much crap over it, it hides the fact that the picture sucked to begin with, you just get wowed with the weird look of it. Sort of like dumping a shitload of ketchup all over a pile of soggy ass french fries.
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Old 03-06-2009, 09:08 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

hehehehe, all what i am sure about is that his techniques is not out of using Lucis Art, smoothing, D&B, some layer masks i think, maybe using blending as HDR but not HDR tonemapping [maybe using it only for landscapes backgrounds before merging 2 or more layers], all that will work if he got the right lights which he did, otherwise all will keep guessing what he did use, the problem is that i applied some fast retouching on some photos i downloaded from here and there and i suck with color cast, skin burn, and mostly with too much sharpness caused by high contrast [not using High Pass at all], and on some photos that are not good enough also i see the problem of halos, so does Dave Hill healing and cloning most of his photos when he saw those issues there? no one can know if he don't do any kind of healing or repairing some problems on the skins or the photo overall and we all think that he never retouch his photos from some issues.
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Old 03-06-2009, 09:27 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

can I put the steps cypisek posted? i made a copy.
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