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The demystification of dave hill! let's all help!

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Old 07-10-2009, 10:06 PM
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Thanks Flashtones, I'm flattered that you'd be curious about my process.

As you can see I suck at photography, so I really have to rely on post. I used many dodge and burn curves adjustment layers to mold the highlights and shadows into aesthetically pleasing shapes (I rely on my mild understanding of facial anatomy -- bones and muscles -- as well as my understanding of how light hits form to guide my dodge and burn.) Basically, just painting with light.

Then I cheaped out and used that nik color effect pro filter-set to give him a nice tan, and the color cast.

I ended with a gradation that's dark in the middle and light on the left and right side, the pillar shaped gradient - set to soft light This was to try to exaggerate the rim lighting, and surprisingly was very effective.

Oh, and massive symmetry correction -- in fact here's the updated version. Now I know I shouldn't have bounced my flashes. More direct lighting brings drama.



Throughout the dodge and burning, I retouched his skin, then smart sharpened it
Thanks for your thorough answer. And the update looks better still.

If I could make one small constructive suggestion it would be to smooth out that "tan line" around the left eye socket (in the latest version - after you flipped the image). I see it's in the original too, but it draws my eye too much. Smoothing it out would be the finishing touch.
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Old 07-11-2009, 05:35 AM
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Nice catch about the "tan-line." Actually, I moved the eye and forgot to blend it in -- so embarrasing.

Here's another attempt that I did today. It's not trying to emulate the Dave Hill style persay, but more of the general polished illustration/high contrast look. Any advice greatly appreciated!

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Old 07-11-2009, 09:46 AM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

Hi Mike, very very impressed with your artwork. Any tips to share for beginner?
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Old 07-12-2009, 07:43 AM
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Thanks Dave -- I'd say learn to draw! I know it's painful, but helps so much. I strongly recommend you go buy one month at Lynda.com and have some tutorial marathons, that's what I did. You can even go and preview many of them first for free! After you're an intermediate photoshop user, start watching and reading all the tutorials you can find on advanced photoshop and retouching.

Also start learn photography (LIGHTING), some makeup artistry, some graphic design (mainly composition and color theory), perspective, and basic anatomy. Those are all areas of study that will benefit you greatly as a retoucher. I recently lost all my bookmarks or I'd give you some of my favorite links.

The best advice I can give is to develop a love of learning new things on your own. Force yourself to use keybindings/shortcuts.Teach yourself how to teach yourself. Good luck!
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Old 07-12-2009, 09:04 AM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

Beware of Nik filter, it sometimes crashes photoshop. Remember always save before going to Nik.
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Old 07-12-2009, 09:36 AM
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Beware of Nik filter, it sometimes crashes photoshop. Remember always save before going to Nik.
Real men do it with masking and local contrast.. So no need for your Nik tonal contrast or Bleach bypass filter you are using..
Plug ins are for girls and Newbie photoshoppers...

It is probably crashing on your pirated copy you have. Buy a real copy and it should not crash!!

You have been so helpful lately Mtmm it is amazing... Have you turned over a new leaf?

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Old 07-12-2009, 09:48 AM
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I´m not talking about bleach bypass of tonal contrast. Just warning that Nik filter can crash photoshop, so always save before going into Nik. You can google it, a typical bug at least in OSX. Try cross prosessing in Nik, it´s a bug.

Real men dont whine like you. So get over it.

I have helped some users via email already. But sorry, I dont answer to your love letters to me. Please, leave me alone, don´t spam my email.
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Old 07-12-2009, 05:16 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

Snook, do you ever fear that as a professional photographer some art directors will witness how you conduct yourself on message boards and decide not to hire you out of fear you wont get along with the creative team?
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Old 07-12-2009, 05:24 PM
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pretty high end stuff.
Well I do a lot of adidas and Omega stuff these days, so yeah I guess it is pretty high end. Thanks.
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Snook, do you ever fear that as a professional photographer some art directors will witness how you conduct yourself on message boards and decide not to hire you out of fear you wont get along with the creative team?
Yeh, About as worried as Dave Hill is having you discover his technique..

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