The demystification of dave hill! let's all help!

[Sistere]

Originally Posted by superkoax

Sistere: I remember his old site! Before the flash site came along, he wrote that he would give tutoring via email and he would show picture by picture on how to do his style...back then I wasn't very interested in his style, but the style grew on me...fast...but then it was too late!

BTW: Does anybody know if Dave Hill is a member here? Maybe we should write a invite to get him in here? hehe...And maybe he could just show us a small fraction, so we could just feed our brains...becasue I'm hungry and little info goes a loooong way for me

Same here man. For months I saw where he was offering his work flow and I kept thinking about it; wasn't quite as into retouching as I am now. Then, maybe two months later I think "Yeah, I would love that work flow" and I go back and he no longer offers it. I was kicking myself for a year! Ah hell, I still am kicking myself.

I even tried to find someone who had previously bought and buy it from them, but I couldn't find anyone. Hint Hint...anyone?

As far as Dave Hill being a member here, if he is I highly doubt he would ever speak up. Can you imagine the sheer volume of PMs and questions he would get...lol

Well, we could always get a retouchpro.com posse together and go crash one of his shoots, threaten to corrupt his data cards if he doesn't talk.

Damien

[cheshirepoet]

I definitely love Dave Hill's style, but really when you look at his photos, most don't have much depth to them. But photographers like Jim Fiscus and Bill Simone have much more interesting subject matter...their images are more storytelling and interesting to look at, imo. Dave Hill almost seems like a one-trick pony, strip the processing away from his images and what are you left with? Don't mean to fuel the fire, again I love how he processes his images, but I don't believe he is the best.

[superkoax]

sistere: I don't think he would speak up, but maybe just for once he would just see how long this thread has come and just enlighten us a bit...just a tad Lol...Count me in!!! hehe...I would love to visit one of his shoots...Heck, I think even being the coffeeguy has a long waiting list ...

[superkoax]

Originally Posted by cheshirepoet

I definitely love Dave Hill's style, but really when you look at his photos, most don't have much depth to them. But photographers like Jim Fiscus and Bill Simone have much more interesting subject matter...their images are more storytelling and interesting to look at, imo. Dave Hill almost seems like a one-trick pony, strip the processing away from his images and what are you left with? Don't mean to fuel the fire, again I love how he processes his images, but I don't believe he is the best.

I can agree there...But some of his picture are very "light! while fiscus pictures are very complex, but fiscus also have light pictures...But DH gives more humor to his pictures then fiscus does...
Some goes for advanced humor and storytelling, others for the simple stuff...

[cheshirepoet]

Originally Posted by superkoax

I can agree there...But some of his picture are very "light! while fiscus pictures are very complex, but fiscus also have light pictures...But DH gives more humor to his pictures then fiscus does...
Some goes for advanced humor and storytelling, others for the simple stuff...

That's why I particularly love Bill Simone's photos...his are full of detail, great lighting, and there's quite a few humorous ones. My favorite is a photo at a tattoo parlor...in the forefront is the shop owner, while behind him is a girl getting her rear tattooed and another employee is pretending to read a magazine while he steals peaks. Hill's photos are definitely humorous...my favorite of his is of Jon Heder on the slide, lol...too hilarious.

[superkoax]

I seen his pictures...The tattoo shop is very good...i like his fashion pictures as well...the woman ion the forest is very good...I like how he uses the dof maybe he has a TiltShift lens? But his retouching is very similar to both DH and Patrick Hoelck! His darker portrait looks very like PH...

[Mtmm]

Never heard of Simone, but oh my f'king god how cool photography, thanks!

edit- We have a winner, Simone is the best! Absolutely brilliant retouching!

[superkoax]

Originally Posted by Mtmm

Never heard of Simone, but oh my f'king god how cool photography, thanks!

edit- We have a winner, Simone is the best! Absolutely brilliant retouching!

he's top notch yes, but I miss some of the sharper egde from him that DH has...have you heard about Erwin Olaf? That's wizard with good overall light not in the same category as Hill or simone, but very closeø...

http://www.erwinolaf.com/

[Mtmm]

Yes, Erwin is old news, but damn good. This Simone, I have no words, amazing!

[Mtmm]

BTW, there is some cool backstage footage at Bill´s blog. 10 thousand sg. feet studio with insane lightsystem. I feel so small.

[superkoax]

mtmm: seen it before...to get good results, you need to be stacked with money

[cheshirepoet]

Lol, well perhaps I am a little biased since I work for Bill, but expensive equipment isn't what determines your results, they're just tools and it's how you use them that gives you great results. Bill told me how years ago he use to teach an adult evening class at a college on photography, and someone said the same thing. So he had everyone go to his studio for the next class and let them use anything they wanted. Even with all of that at their disposal, they were disappointed with their results. Bill then proceeded by setting up a little still life shot, hung up a white bed sheet, and used a clamp light from Lowe's and took a beautiful shot.

Mtmm, I'm glad you like the blog !

[superkoax]

Originally Posted by cheshirepoet

Lol, well perhaps I am a little biased since I work for Bill, but expensive equipment isn't what determines your results, they're just tools and it's how you use them that gives you great results. Bill told me how years ago he use to teach an adult evening class at a college on photography, and someone said the same thing. So he had everyone go to his studio for the next class and let them use anything they wanted. Even with all of that at their disposal, they were disappointed with their results. Bill then proceeded by setting up a little still life shot, hung up a white bed sheet, and used a clamp light from Lowe's and took a beautiful shot.

Mtmm, I'm glad you like the blog !

hmmm...I want to believe you so badly, but I'm blinded by my bad results with bad equipment He's talented allright...But it's all about talent and not equipment when it all comes down to it...So being blessed with a talent and to live from it is something not everyone is fortunate to experience...I'm super talented in dish washing, but that's probably it...I don't think I can get a descent living out of that...

[cheshirepoet]

Haha, well, unless you start a reality show about it...maybe join up with that chef one, "Hell's Kitchen". I know what you mean though, I'm pretty artistic but severely lack in creativity except for occasional stroke's of "genius". I'm always in awe of those who ooze creativity from every pore, and I feel extremely lucky to be able to be around someone like that everyday.

[Mtmm]

Koax, now I did the background as well. I just hate masking so much.

http://www.bodynet.fi/mayhem/53.jpg