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The demystification of dave hill! let's all help!

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Old 05-31-2011, 05:40 AM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

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Althought this is true at some point, I've seen some other photographers (not many) who have done "something very similar" and in some cases their works look even better than DH's. You can find the links right here in this thread.

I found this link where they explain why is it near impossible to create the DH effect... Bear in mind that DH got a great eye for "compositions" and he knows beforehand what he is going to do in post processing with his shots, just like when they are filming a movie.

Here's the link: http://taoreactor.blogspot.com/2009/...-its-near.html
WOW, i can't believe in that link i had my post as an example, i never thought my shot example will be taken there, and i was thinking to replicate DH in fact, but i know i didn't do even 1/10 of what he did yet, but i can see in the future if i can have people to work on and use all my lights i have then i just need a retoucher to reveal/apply DH style on my shots.
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Old 05-31-2011, 05:52 AM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

Here is my attempt to do something similar to DH, but it isn't and i am not spending long time on photoshop to do everything right.

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http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/3281/ds38788.jpg

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http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8118/1ds38788.jpg
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Old 05-31-2011, 04:48 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

Tareq:

Your work is pretty good ! Congrats. Could you elaborate a bit on the process?
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Old 05-31-2011, 10:50 PM
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Your work is pretty good ! Congrats. Could you elaborate a bit on the process?
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Which one?
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Old 06-01-2011, 07:56 AM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

oh no no Tareq, this is not dave hill effect!!!! Sorry but this is some kind of shit:/ Where are flash lights, where is composition, idea? where is everything?????
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Old 06-01-2011, 08:46 AM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

lookas. he already told us he is doing something "similar" to dave hill. while it might be a bit different is isnt certainly "shit". it actually is pretty good and i would like to know how he did it.
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Old 06-01-2011, 09:39 AM
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Which one?
This one...
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Old 06-01-2011, 02:44 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

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thats actually really good! Composite a kitchen in the back!


How was this retouched? it's awesome.
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Old 06-01-2011, 03:17 PM
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How was this retouched? it's awesome.
Personally, I think it's not even close to DH, but I did like the effect.

So, for starters, most of what's said in this thread is right, you need to get your lighting exactly right, thats really most of the work, the rest comes pretty naturally when you're working on it. For this pic I used one beauty dish in front and a softbox on either side.
Also, the sharper the image, the easier post will be. But if it doesn't have to be perfect, you'll be fine with most SLRs
Oh, and I had her hang upside down for the hair.

I'm not going to go into detail on the basic stuff.
1/ healing
2/ I added some smudges on her face and removed some others. just did that with a basic brush set to about 10% opacity.
3/ I added the hair (3 different images and used pieces of those to compose)
4/ I replaced the table (and I still don't like it, I gave up)
5/ I replaced the toasters shadow (look at some product photography tuts for how to do that, pretty easy to get a realistic looking shadow.)
6/ added the smoke and the flame in her hair
7/ dodge and burn
8/ hue/sat layer small selection (selected reds and added +5 to hue)
9/ hue/sat layer medium selection (selected reds and added +10 to hue)
10/ hue/sat layer large selection (selected reds and substracted -10 to hue)
why? I find it the easiest way to even the skintones. It's my way to do it...
the +5 will even out red on the cheeks, +10 evens out the rest of the face and the -10 was because I didn't like the tone, so pulled the entire images' reds down a little.
11/ Levels: pull in the blacks and the whites untill the image looks a lot more crisp and the contrast looks better. this is also what makes the background so flashy, it's actually pretty even in the original.
12/ color balance: makes or breaks the image. for this image I had following settings.
shadows: red +10, green -5, blue -10
midtones: red -50(!), green -20, blue -10
highlights: red -10, green +10, blue +10
I noticed that this is VERY different for different images. those settings just worked for this one.
13/ Pretty weird, but now I moved the D&B layer above the color balance layer.
14/ gradient map for the hair color
15/ curves layer for the hair color
16/ group the last two and add a mask on the group.
17/ D&B on the hair.
18/ two small hue/sat corrections on the hair.

That's it. And I guess that's enough. It took me a couple of hours, I can't imagine the complexity if you're going to compose 10+ people in one shot plus background and some props here and there.
I hope that made some sense. I mainly just did what I felt I had to do to get the result I wanted...
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Old 06-02-2011, 01:44 AM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

Cant wait for Dave to make a DVD and put us all out of our misery. I really think his "style" has allot to do with the amount of light he uses and how its used. You also see him using an H2 with a phase back, and those things can shoot images containing a huge latitude that lower end cameras cant capture. Not to mention those camera topped off with prime lenses give that crisp look thats hard to fake in post. Im not saying that he gets everything before Photoshop by any means, thats clearly seen on his screen. But I do believe he can achieve more in camera RAW conversion, due to his work on set. I also believe his technique is much more technical then high pass and unsharp mask.

Dave, if your out there listening.. do us a solid and give us a DVD.. or at least longer bts. thanks..
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