The demystification of dave hill! let's all help!

[superkoax]

http://in.solit.us/archives/show/55633

this links till works...

just tried it...

gerry

[mcupido]

hi this is my fist time on this site ....
i am a photografer and not very good at post process....
but i think this is pretty close to the "style" your talking about and actually i only did some shapening, blur,dodge and burn ....... most of the effect is done by light setup

o yeah and some liquify for the freaky effect....

[superkoax]

mcupido: thanks for adding! add more shadows to the wrinkels on the clothes and add highlights to the top of the wrinkels...I'm giving my try on this picture later on

gerry

[mcupido]

thanks,

ill give it a try later on aswell
i was looking more closer to image's like hill,fiscus,dragan,olaf,etc but.......
any idea how to get that sort of plastic feeling on the skin ... i dont think this is a "light thing"

[superkoax]

it's probably due to some curves adjustments! I have tried experimenting with curves and blue channel

But maybe som other retouching stuff...

gerry

[CMS]

i wonder! How big Hill's photos are printed ! I do not thing they use it for banners, mesh etc.I thing that is an important issue in understanding his work.
Personally i do not thing you can get rezults like that without a small amount of noise from oversharpening.

Does anyone have a link to a 100% retouched picture.I came across this idea when preparing photos for my new website and realize that picture that normally you view in detail , on the web looks better and you do not see the small imperfection.????????????????????????

[superkoax]

cms: almost every picture looks better in smaller size...But I have tried to figure out a good speech about the size...When viewing a big picture, you see imperfections better...the noise for example...But how near do you want to stand looking at a picture? for sure if you want details, but staring too long on a masterpiece some faults will surface. I saw an add campaign a while back in a magazine with Hillary Swank advertising for a perfume brand...In the magazine(half A4 sized picture) the picture looks very good...But one day I walked pass a perfume shop and I saw the picture on a BIG poster maybe 50cm X 70 cm...The details become clearer...The pictures that are retouched are better of viewed in smaller portions...I have NEVER seen retouchers who show their pictures in all it's glory...

It's like music( i've been a producers for some years as well):

People who enjoy a song for just the song is the target the msuic biz are looking for really! Because alot of listeners doesn't hear the drum, bass, effects or how much echo there is in the vocals or how much reverb it's in the lead melody or even what type of instruments are used! They hear only the song for the song...With me here?

Ok, when I started to produce(at age 16) i was that kind of listener...I was astonished after some months when I started to hear old songs and could break down parts in the drumline, bassline or even vocals! After that every song I liked was dissected into bit's and pieces...Over-analyzing everything...Sometimes we all do! In the pictures as well! We should have one eye for detail and one eye for watching pictures as just a picture...

Hope that I wasn't writing toooooooo much here...if so....sorry

cheers

Gerry

[chillin]

Originally Posted by superkoax

anybody know where I can find a good filesharing site that allows files over 100mb?

I use http://rapidshare.com/ it works for me.

[ikagami]

Originally Posted by mcupido

thanks,

ill give it a try later on aswell
i was looking more closer to image's like hill,fiscus,dragan,olaf,etc but.......
any idea how to get that sort of plastic feeling on the skin ... i dont think this is a "light thing"

is this plastic enough?

http://rapidshare.com/files/50295419...raper.jpg.html

[chillin]

Originally Posted by ikagami

is this plastic enough?

It is nice but kind of lifeless.

[superkoax]

IKAGAMI: Nice, the face is a bit greyish and dead, but if you add selctive colour layer you can give the skin more color...Work in the small lines of highlights and shadows to give it more "spunk" ...


gerry

[gsd]

here's my try. i think it's more dragan, less hill though.

http://gregdalrymple.com/studies/388376_9085_after.jpg

http://gregdalrymple.com/studies/388376_9085_before.jpg

http://gregdalrymple.com/studies/388...5_half_res.zip [PSD zip 7mb]

[schultzy]

I have been trying to learn his technique for quite a while now, and I still can't figure it out. No matter what I do, they always come out a little on the flat side. That being said, here is a photo I just worked on...Not close to Mr.Hill's level of excellence, but not too shabby. I have also used the same technique in another photo I have posted on here somewhere, but I tweeked the effect so it is less noticeable.

Here's the photo:
http://daniellahaiephotography.com/b...background.jpg

Sorry I am hosting it off my site, as it is a rather large side by side with the original photo.

[ikagami]

Originally Posted by superkoax

IKAGAMI: Nice, the face is a bit greyish and dead, but if you add selctive colour layer you can give the skin more color...Work in the small lines of highlights and shadows to give it more "spunk" ...


gerry

Thanx..I give it a try later
But this is how I wanted it..dead and lifeless...perfection and imperfection in one pic
For the specs..its made with a Hasselblad with leaf back

[superkoax]

GSD: NICE touch here, but the beard on the left side should be followed trough...it's suddenly stops on the chin there...maybe more burning or copying excisting beard...also the shadows are very big...maybe work in smaller scale?

Gerry

[superkoax]

schultzy: Nice picture, I can see that you have use shadows/highlights filter here...it pushes up the noise as well...maybe on the key parts on the picture( tattoo and cheeks...) you can use the effect, but mask down areas surrounding them?

Gerry

[dmitrim]

Originally Posted by schultzy

I have been trying to learn his technique for quite a while now, and I still can't figure it out. No matter what I do, they always come out a little on the flat side. That being said, here is a photo I just worked on...Not close to Mr.Hill's level of excellence, but not too shabby. I have also used the same technique in another photo I have posted on here somewhere, but I tweeked the effect so it is less noticeable.

Here's the photo:
http://daniellahaiephotography.com/b...background.jpg

Sorry I am hosting it off my site, as it is a rather large side by side with the original photo.

This stuff doesn't work on females. You guys shouldn't even try. High pass and sharpening don't do well with the female's skin. And when you sharpen something,mask itout to avoid halos.

Dodge and burn it all you need.here a 2 minute example

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/4854/villageac3.jpg

[edgework]

Originally Posted by dmitrim

This stuff doesn't work on females. You guys shouldn't even try. High pass and sharpening don't do well with the female's skin. And when you sharpen something,mask itout to avoid halos.

I agree in principle with this, but you hit on a much more critical issue without realizing it. Those halos indicate that, recipe specs notwithstanding, for this image, the settings are inappropriate. Sharpening, however it's done, is always welcome, and using sharpening to provide contrast-inducing halos is also a useful technique (Margulis calls it HIRALOAM for hi radius low amount sharpening; it's also called local contrast in some articles). Here, it's just wrong. Who cares how it got there, it's a bad result. That's my problem with Action oriented approaches to any effect: every image is different. In this case, all you need to do is step back and look at the dirty grunge and compare it with anything by Dave Hill and you know you took a wrong turn.

[digikunst]

i want to try it too ^^

http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hilltrytj1.jpg

[boostyone]

Does anyone know how to edit like this? I am looking for a tutorial. I know for a fact lucisart or any thirdparty plugin isn't involved, just Photoshop. HELP!

http://www.adambartas.com/

[Oh_Heck]

Well, might as well give it a try. I'm sure i'm not even in the ballpark on this, but I tried to get the high contrast that he has in his images. Lotta curve adjustments...

http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/9...ke2pthhln9.jpg

[Calvinhollywood]

Hi from Germany

Here is my Part
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/6...schichtvm5.jpg

lg Calvin
http://www.calvinhollywood.de

[superkoax]

calvin: really nice work there...


gerry

[Calvinhollywood]

Thx.... done with 2 lights.... a soft light on the female and a hard light on background
then a lot of dodge and burning and sharpen techniks with unsharp mask

sorry for my bad english

lg Calvin

[AdamZx3]

Nice work calvin, that's the closest to Dave hills look i've seen yet! Very Nice.

When you say that you used two lights did you mean two lights when you where photographing it or the two light blend modes?

Is there anyway we could see the before photo? I am dying to see how much of it is from the lighting!

[gsd]

very nice, Calvin.

[FaanP]

Here is my best attempt to date ...
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s...391-comp-d.jpg

[superkoax]

FAANP: The effect is good on the shoes, but around it looks very odd to me...too much of something...

Gerry

[FaanP]

Thanks .... still struggeling ... will get it right someday ....

[superkoax]

but to achieve the dave hill look...remmeber to have EVERYTHING in the picture in focus and pin sharp...blurred backgrounds doesn't give you and help...

gerry