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Old 01-15-2008, 09:52 AM
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Hmmm...didn't quite understand what your were trying to say here!

Good luck to you, Enigma! Sorry to loose your experience!
Whoops... I just re-read my post and all I can say is sorry. It does sound really rude and it wasn't meant that way. In fact I feel like an idiot now.

Apologies again.

Note to Self: Don't type up replies after returning from the pub

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Old 01-19-2008, 04:55 PM
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Hey guys,

I really cannot believe that you don't realize that David Hill's pictures are HDR created with tools like Photomatix.
Wow.

So, so , so wrong. And yet so positive that you are right.

Those HDR shots dont look like Hill. You really need to develop your 'eye' if you think they do.
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Old 01-19-2008, 05:27 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

I would say 'manual HDR', rather than Photomatix or some 'tool'.
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Old 01-21-2008, 08:48 AM
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Edit: Oh... and you can do HDR with moving objects. Honest. And the newer HDR programs will take note of this and correct it.
Could you please show us? You cant, it´s not possible to make real HDR shots. I will lick my balls for the rest of my life if you show me how you can do a true HDR shot from a jumping model. It just not possible. So please show us how to do it or admit that it is impossible. Transoptic, please stfu and let enigma answer to this. I dont need your noob comments.
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Old 01-21-2008, 02:48 PM
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mtmm: I think understand your opinion, it's not possible due to recycle time of flash and the person is moving little by little everytime, right?

I can't honestly say that, when going trough DH's behind the scenes I haven't seen him shoot 3 or 5 pictures when the model is standing still! Can HDR be used only with 1picture? Underexposing and overexposing it in RAW?
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Old 01-21-2008, 02:57 PM
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mtmm: I think understand your opinion, it's not possible due to recycle time of flash and the person is moving little by little everytime, right?

I can't honestly say that, when going trough DH's behind the scenes I haven't seen him shoot 3 or 5 pictures when the model is standing still! Can HDR be used only with 1picture? Underexposing and overexposing it in RAW?
A true HDR needs several exposures. With one exposure you can make a "fake" HDR playing with raw-converter. With true HDR, no matter what everybody is saying, it´s just not possible. Flash recycle time is too slow, camera is too slow, when subject is moving you cannot take several shots without model moving too much. Enigma lacks some fatal information about flash shooting if she/he is still making HDR shots with moving subject. If your recycle time is for example 1sec with half power, you´ll need a wizard model who can levitate and stay still for several seconds in the air.

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Old 01-22-2008, 10:54 AM
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Enigma lacks some fatal information about flash shooting if she/he is still making HDR shots with moving subject. If your recycle time is for example 1sec with half power, you´ll need a wizard model who can levitate and stay still for several seconds in the air.
Has anyone considered using three cameras remotely fired to all go off at once.... with various exposure settings? That would get a true HDR with moving subjects. And I have heard through the grapevine that Photomatix are working on new algorithms to tackle moving subjects. In fact they already have the early alogorithms to try and tackle movement in water.
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Old 01-22-2008, 11:01 AM
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Has anyone considered using three cameras remotely fired to all go off at once.... with various exposure settings? That would get a true HDR with moving subjects. And I have heard through the grapevine that Photomatix are working on new algorithms to tackle moving subjects. In fact they already have the early alogorithms to try and tackle movement in water.
If you used three cameras they would all be in different locations so how would you be able to align the shots for HDR purposes?

I'm fairly sure that Dave Hill said that he didn't use HDR anyway, so why has this discussion gone down that route?
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Old 01-22-2008, 11:12 AM
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Enigma lacks some fatal information about flash shooting if she/he is still making HDR shots with moving subject.
I have heard through the grapevine that Photomatix are working on new algorithms to tackle moving subjects. In fact they already have the early alogorithms to try and tackle movement in water.

There's also big steps in improved sensors that will handle HDR in camera. The Sony Alpha range already have in camera HDR settings which are only improving with time.
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Old 01-22-2008, 11:16 AM
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Has anyone considered using three cameras remotely fired to all go off at once.... with various exposure settings? That would get a true HDR with moving subjects. And I have heard through the grapevine that Photomatix are working on new algorithms to tackle moving subjects. In fact they already have the early alogorithms to try and tackle movement in water.
There is no software that can align bodyparts what are at different angle in every shot. And of course, flash recycle time is way too slow for rapid fire. As said, 3 cameras would also be at different angle. It would be also insanely expensive setup to use for example 3x1Ds mkIII, 3x24-70/2.8L and another problem would be to set all the cameras to fire at the same time syncing with flashes. And for the record, Dave Hill himself said that "it would be about impossible to shoot HDR with humans".
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