Photo Retouching - - The demystification of dave hill! let's all help! - Page 46

rudym · #**676** 05-31-2008, 09:49 AM

Was not comparing is photos to Dave hill's i just think he have better composition.

skydog · #**677** 05-31-2008, 12:51 PM

I have read Snooks posts for quite some time now. Basically he, like Gerry and myself are trying to learn techniques...not to copy, but to improve our knowledge base. Like Snook said, most post their shots to say "look at me ...see how good I am" but never explain a damn thing when asked. I also agree with Snook concerning Jim Fiscus...I like his work much better than Dave Hill. But regardless, Hill, Fiscus, and others do start with the right lights.
Give me a break about Ant..add him to the list that basically ads nothing more than self promotion.
Two side comments,
1) Does anyone know who created the stills in the beginning of the IronMan movie?
2) How much did they pay to put the "high end retouching video" ad on this site? Only one of the photos in the ad is actually used in the video. The video is basic photoshop...nothing high end and OVERPRICED. But a great job at marketing!

javanto · #**678** 05-31-2008, 02:20 PM

actually I do not understand why we are talking about dave hill anymore. in the beginning it was as a challenge for us but not anymore(for me it is still). what do you think about pictures taken by mtmm. I think he has found the theqnigue which is similar as as dave hill.

rudym · #**679** 05-31-2008, 02:35 PM

mtmm photos are similar to DH. It's a shame that he is not posting his photos to share his techique but to show what can be done and that Hills technique can be mimic

moo · #**680** 05-31-2008, 06:27 PM

My first try on the Dave hill look:
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/1157/davezw2.jpg

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/8208/dave2dl2.jpg

I used the lucis filter, corrected color and then a toned filter.

snook305 · #**681** 05-31-2008, 08:07 PM

moo, that is where lucis is the worst.. the blotchy orange skin tones.
Try putting it on a Luminosity blend mode and it helps a little..:}
Lucis works great but fails on the skin.
That is what is missing really.. how to get it even out on the skin tones...
I get similar by doing it on many layers and lower the opacity and working the skin...
The backgrounds is easy to get with Lucis...
Snook

moo · #**682** 05-31-2008, 08:19 PM

Snook thx a lot, that seems to fix a lot of the skin.
Here my second attempt.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/1818/gameek5.jpg

snook305 · #**683** 06-01-2008, 08:37 AM

NO problem.. that is what these forums are supposedly for..:+}
Some people like Mtmm forget that...!
Losers!
Good Luck
Snook

superkoax · #**684** 06-01-2008, 03:46 PM

Can't we just forget about lucis art??? It's an easy way out, but no way you can use this on a pro level...I've seen to many attempts that just looks too artifical...Dave Hill and FIscus DON'T use it! DH mentioned Lucis art a while back, but to me it seems he only did this to give people an easy way towards his style!

crazyfly1 · #**685** 06-01-2008, 03:58 PM

Hi, I'm Dave Hill, thanks for all the compliments. I use a ring light with one soft box and sometimes an umbrella. All the post is outsourced to some guy in India (he's real good isn't he?) Anyway all of the post is done with Lucas Art I think, I'm not really sure.

subxaero · #**686** 06-01-2008, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyfly1

Hi, I'm Dave Hill, thanks for all the compliments. I use a ring light with one soft box and sometimes an umbrella. All the post is outsourced to some guy in India (he's real good isn't he?) Anyway all of the post is done with Lucas Art I think, I'm not really sure.

thx for the insights, dave.

i love you

crazyfly1 · #**687** 06-01-2008, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by subxaero

thx for the insights, dave.

i love you

You are truly welcome, I love you too.
Oh, and thanx for all the money.

Cyberek · #**688** 06-02-2008, 07:12 AM

snook305 - im wondering, why u r so nervous about Mtmm posts? He has wrote here a lot. Afair he has even post one picture and explained in details how he did get final result. But in ending... he is getting money from this style... why he should be more detailed then now? Its kind'a like Microsoft would go opensource

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Mtmm · #**689** 06-02-2008, 08:23 AM

Snook, no need to get personal. You are attacking me like no other here. As I explained before, lighting and heavy D/B with skills will generate a basic foundation to Daves work. I believe I did post a raw file just to show how important lighting is. Snook you can go running your mouth calling everybody a looser, go ahead if that makes you a better retoucher. But what is for sure is that Dave uses complex lighting system. In his videos there is a raw files seen on the monitor and wow, those are good.

So please snook, stop fucking up this thread and if you want to insult, do it in private.

And then back to the point. One thing in Daves photos that makes them look like DH is the idea and composition.

You can go with lucis
You can go with hdr
You can go with bleach bypass
You can go with highpass
You can go with Color efex Pro

But you cannot go without a good lighting and composition and certainly you cannot go like snook calling everyone a looser while doing nothing productive.

And then how I do light the subject?

With these and ringflash, beauty dish, umbrellas, softboxes etc.

moo · #**690** 06-02-2008, 08:45 AM

So far, what we know is that lighting is very important and also as said, composition.Im not going to ask Mtmm to give us his exact tecnique, but if you can help us with some tips it would be apreciated.Or also tell us if you are using lucisart or HDR pics.

Thx and regards.