The demystification of dave hill! let's all help!

[Gee]

mtmm, the one u posted right now is really cool


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[Tareq]

Originally Posted by Mtmm

Not again. Please dont use my photos. You know, now there is my signature and it looks like shit. Stop please.

If I want my photos to be retouched, I´ll post a raw file. You cannot go and rape photos.

hehe, sorry, forgive me, but i can't resist, your photo is so nice and great, if i can have something that good then i will do on my own photos, but too bad i don't have any of that, so if you know a place where i can get photos like yours with good lighting [mostly photos of bands, people on roads, works, students playing,....] then please tell me, i would like to learn on those photos.

I apologize and sorry again.

[Pinto]

Originally Posted by Tareq

You are right, lighting is always the key

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2686/laukku1962.jpg

I don't get it. What was your point in ruining his image?

[Mtmm]

You always need a raw file to work with. You cannot go and edit finished jpg:s. We need to work at high resolution, that is the only way to achieve clean look.

[HelloPiccadilly]

lighting is the key, when it's hard lighting, like the sun! In this way, it's easy to get really cool hdr background..
But the thing which I can't get, why do u use some kind of muscleman for your stuff?) is that cool?)

[Mtmm]

Originally Posted by HelloPiccadilly

But the thing which I can't get, why do u use some kind of muscleman for your stuff?) is that cool?)

Why not? Should we all be in a same little box?

[Tareq]

Originally Posted by Pinto

I don't get it. What was your point in ruining his image?

Originally Posted by Mtmm

You always need a raw file to work with. You cannot go and edit finished jpg:s. We need to work at high resolution, that is the only way to achieve clean look.

Originally Posted by HelloPiccadilly

lighting is the key, when it's hard lighting, like the sun! In this way, it's easy to get really cool hdr background..
But the thing which I can't get, why do u use some kind of muscleman for your stuff?) is that cool?)

In fact i used his JPEG because it is better, i saw many RAW files that i can't work with it because the lighting was not good enough, and not any lighting, but i like that hard or contrast lighting, in all HDR i do without hard or contrasty lighting or exposure i can't get better HDR, so same with Dave Hill Look, we need something like high contrast or hard lighting, in the JPEG it was closer to hard lighting, maybe the RAW will not be contrasty enough and i can't work on that to convert it to contrasty first then apply any different techniques, i saw some photos on Flickr that are really amazing even they are not Dave Hill but they are so contrasty and the portraits look a lil bit surreal and the background is grungy, so i retouched that and to my surprise it was very very close to DH only need more D&B and masks to be perfect but i don't know that, and when i tried on many RAW files including some i did with my Canon or H3D even with that lights i have on different f-stops i couldn't get even closer to those shots i saw, so it is beginning with the special effect or look by lighting then we can apply any techniques for surreal looks [HDR, Dave Hill, Draganize,.....].

And sorry again for using your image, Mtmm, if it is not what i look for then i will never work on it for myself.

[HelloPiccadilly]

Originally Posted by Mtmm

Why not? Should we all be in a same little box?

Just because, I saw them on the first davehill's pictures...))

[Quantum3Studio]

I've downloaded like 15 backstage videos, the light set up is basic, but basic as hell. And it's always the same set up, otherwise, the retouch woudln't be so straight.
The retouching skills of this guy are the real thing.

[Quantum3Studio]

Trying using HighPass 40px with linear light and some play in the opacity. It gives interesting results, also in Overlay and mixed. Also do it with a 1024px image, it will look more exact to what this guy does. However, no one wonders
how look those pics at high res.

[Tareq]

Originally Posted by Quantum3Studio

Trying using HighPass 40px with linear light and some play in the opacity. It gives interesting results, also in Overlay and mixed. Also do it with a 1024px image, it will look more exact to what this guy does. However, no one wonders
how look those pics at high res.

I was going to say why we can't se Dave Hill photos on higher resolution, or larger sizes, and to be honest, i look at all his photos, to my eyes not all his photos are the same effect or his style, some can be his unique but others are not so, even HDR can be better, so are all his photos are really can't get closer, if i will choose which photos that has that his technique appealing then it will be mostly 60-70% of all his photos.

[Mtmm]

Originally Posted by HelloPiccadilly

Just because, I saw them on the first davehill's pictures...))

And your point is?

What comes to bodybuilding photos, I have done it for years because I own a website related to that sport.

www.pakkotoisto.com

[Quantum3Studio]

Originally Posted by Tareq

I was going to say why we can't se Dave Hill photos on higher resolution, or larger sizes, and to be honest, i look at all his photos, to my eyes not all his photos are the same effect or his style, some can be his unique but others are not so, even HDR can be better, so are all his photos are really can't get closer, if i will choose which photos that has that his technique appealing then it will be mostly 60-70% of all his photos.

That's right. I've never seen a high ress file of all these famous retouchers, like Dragan, Joey and this guy, Dave. I personally think that this kind of retouch (because it's not photography, it's retouch) is very common at these days. There are lot of retouchers doing exactly the same thing (me included). The method is always the same but the results changes. The change is so slight that they looks more like the same thing. Some of them are more contrasty, others are more smooth, others more plastic, others more detailed and others more graphic like. In fact, in the Dave'swebsite you can see some of his retouchs are quite like a comic or even like a drawing. After raising the so excesivley the contrast (plus, the dynamic range) he has to erase all the noise someway.

Here is another one like dave and joey and such... http://www.timtadder.com/

About Dragan, well, that's a very special guy, he also do photography, not only flatting the images using flashes for everywhere. However, I would like to see how look their pictures at 300DPI at 30x40cm, just for curiosity.

There is another cool and original photographer and retoucher, here is the link: http://www.erwinolaf.com/ 45 minutes looking for him, I forgot his name, but here it's

[HelloPiccadilly]

Is anybody so crasy about that effect as me?
Just for them...
here is shot of room...
f/29
1/160
lighted up by 3x600 J

http://depositfiles.com/files/y16lob9lo

Just want to get background like on this picture by Obosila..
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2340/35645193.jpg
(He's another Dave hill for me)

Would be so great, to look at Obosila's try on this picture...(maybe some hints from him)

[Quantum3Studio]

Wow, the pic in the bathroom is great!

[Quantum3Studio]

Good retouch! They look like zombies, but I like the way you did the retouch

[Soul_of_Kilik]

Nice cypisec! You don't need to give away your process exactly, but what is your main application to obtain that effect? Was it Hi-Pass, Shadow/Highlight, or sharpening radius?

[HelloPiccadilly]

cypisek!
Nice result..

It would be so nice to hear what u did on this image )

[Tareq]

Cypisek, i like that what you did more than some of Dave Hill photos, even i like that of Dragan photos more than Dave Hill photos, but i know that DH bug is strong these days, hehe.

[garibaldi]

Guess we all know what you guys are going to dress up as this halloween. DAVE HILL

[Soul_of_Kilik]

Originally Posted by garibaldi

Guess we all know what you guys are going to dress up as this halloween. DAVE HILL

Aaaaaahhhahahahaha!!

[longside1]

A bit premature for Halloween!?

[HelloPiccadilly]

Cypisek, why have u deleted your post?

[snook305]

YEh I was wondering the same thing..
Looked like an interesting technique? It was using Lucis art that most will boo here,
But looks pretty darn good.
Maybe he is refining the Steps to post again?
If not I'll post it again b/c I copied the text last night for those who may want it.

But I think Cypisek is maybe re-writing it?? Or we have another MTmm in the thread...:+}
Although Cypiseks result was much better...:+}
Snook

[Soul_of_Kilik]

we scared him off with too many questions

[Tareq]

We are waiting him, and too bad i didn't copy his steps, were so good in fact.

[snook305]

You guys should look at a plug in called SAFT for macintosh.
On any given webpage you can do a control click and save the whole page as a PDF instantly..
I do it all the time and have a HUGE archive...:+}
Snook

[Soul_of_Kilik]

you didn't perhaps get that specific post did you?

[longside1]

Hi Snook, can you upload the pdf for us simple folk??!!

[Quantum3Studio]

In one of the backstage videos, Dave hill leans a wide angle lens ON THE STREET and the lens FALL AND MAKE A BAAAADDD NOISE!!!!!
NO BODY will lean a lens on the street. Less a wide angle.
Dave Hill is definitelly a total newbie with lucky. So please, stop talking about him, you guys looks like histeric faegots...