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The demystification of dave hill! let's all help!

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Old 05-16-2008, 01:22 PM
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Do you believe that Dave just sets up over 6 flashes just to show off?
Why yes, yes I do. In fact let me quote Dave for you
"That big octobox is just for show."

So yes I think he does it sometimes (and he doesn't always) just to impress the noobs.
It's showing you a flower with one hand while he pulls a quarter from behind your ear with the other.
Don't get me wrong I have already clearly seen that some folks want this to be all mysterious and remain unanswered.

I don't know. It could be that I'm totally off base and all you need mtmm is to wacom your raw with ring flash and dodge and burn.

Or, it could be that as with so many things photoshop there are several ways to get almost identical effects.

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Old 05-16-2008, 01:37 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

Mtmm is right, You need good lighting to get the good result.

No light...No image... you can wacom all you want! still no image.

If it would be as simple as shooting with a ring flash, and retouch with a wacom, a lot of people would achieve it.

You need a good understanding of light. the big octo is not just for show. I know lighting. I've been around...Did a lot of assisting with some of the big boys in London and N.Y.

Dave say's a lot of thing to trow us off...
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Old 05-16-2008, 02:36 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

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Don't get me wrong I have already clearly seen that some folks want this to be all mysterious and remain unanswered.
And you have now discovered that mystery? Please, dont hold it down, shot us how to replicate Dave Hill´s style if it is so simple. There is hundres of users trying to replicate that style, nobody has done it. So please, enter the stage. You fail!

And for the record, I´m not trying to copy Dave, but I have learned a lot from his videos.

http://www.bodynet.fi/kuvat/danielhill.jpg

Guy in that photo is named Daniel Hill, just a coincidence.
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Old 05-16-2008, 03:12 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

Cannot believe the boneheads are still it is mainly lighting.. BS
His lighting is very basic lighting.. or at best average.
His "Look" is clearly achieved in POST! PERIOD!
Now get over it...:+}
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Old 05-16-2008, 03:20 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

Yes its done as I was saying before. First lights, then photoshop. But try to get this in to your head. You need a good lighting to start with. After that nobody knows what Dave does in photoshop/illustrator/after effects/3d max........

This is like explaining banana to monkey.

After all this some idiot is still saying, "you just need photoshop, blaa blaa...."
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

Ditto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 05-19-2008, 02:16 AM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

For anyone who thinks the way he lights is NOT integral to his look, watch his behind
the scenes vid with Chris Brown. He's tethered to the mac and the shots come up
as he takes them. The "look" is at least 80% there. No surprise that the raw files
look closer to his look than the many "post" attempts here.
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Old 05-19-2008, 07:46 AM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

This is a raw-file with 4 flashes, Elinchrom Rangers. 2 kickers, left and right. Key light softbox upper right, fill light ring flash front. Left kicker and ringflash at half power versus right side.

Post processing with d/b will produce more rendered like photo. After that I don´t have a glue what Dave uses. But I´m sure that d/b is done heavily in Dave´s photos for entire photo. When you go piece by piece the whole photo through with d/b you can generate more rendered look.

http://www.bodynet.fi/kuvat/raw.jpg
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Old 05-19-2008, 02:56 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

Mtmm, you might consider posting that picture somewhere in a larger size and in raw tiff or psd.

This is my try at it, I know, I know, not even close. Maybe if I'd spent more than 3 minutes on it but I have to go to the store. Oh well, I tried.
Thanx for the image.
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Old 05-19-2008, 03:01 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

That looks great!

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http://www.bodynet.fi/kuvat/danielhill.jpg

Guy in that photo is named Daniel Hill, just a coincidence.
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