The demystification of dave hill! let's all help!

[Pinto]

Originally Posted by snook305

Yet another Dave Hill wannabe on the market.
This stuff get's so old it is sickening.
http://www.clorimages.com/
Snook

Well, his client list certainly isn't sickening:

Coca-Cola
Pepsi
Ford Motor Co.
General Motors Co.
Daimler Chrysler
Nissan
Audi
AC Delco
Mopar
Dupont
Lear
PPG
Coca-Cola
Pepsi
Siemens
Delphi
Eaton
Dow Chemical
Standard Federal Bank
University of Michigan
Dutchboy
Oakwood Hospital
Comcast
Michigan State Lottery
USPS
WB20
US Navy
Carhartt

[Quantum3Studio]

I already said it: DH sucks at photography, and his skills where bought in some fair. Plain and simple, wanna get the base? Start by apliying the lushit art thing then denoise. Go and post a forum about Calvin Hollywood, that guy really have talent.
Ah, and for before & after thing, DH website has lot of videos.

[Mtmm]

Originally Posted by cypisek

Mtmm, I think...robin hood,man with hammer and man with skateboard. Thanks

http://www.bodynet.fi/kuvat/ba02.jpg

Oops, skater is not a right one, but same light, 1 softbox.

[snook305]

Originally Posted by Quantum3Studio

I already said it: DH sucks at photography, and his skills where bought in some fair. Plain and simple, wanna get the base? Start by apliying the lushit art thing then denoise. Go and post a forum about Calvin Hollywood, that guy really have talent.
Ah, and for before & after thing, DH website has lot of videos.

I agree actually. it is really so easy. throw some lucis and denoise it.
Again Cyspesik or who ever posted the Indiana Jones tutorial hit the nail right on the head.
Follow that tutorial and you'll get it.
Mtmm just plays with Bleach Bypass which makes the highlights even hard whites.
He just copied dave hill with using BodyBuilders,which make things easily awkward enough as they are,and is another One trick in the bag guy.
Funny how he knocks down another photographer who has a endless amount of BIG clients, yet he shoots steroid boys and nothing else.

:+}
LOL
Snook

[HelloPiccadilly]

I guess a reason to use BodyBuilders. You make more attention to their muscles, veins, biceps and triceps and etc..so it works. But when u have deal with smtng beautiful like pretty girl )) you just make her ugly ) Though u can play with her clothes to get that look.

[Mtmm]

Snook, epic fail. I have been shooting bb:s for 5 years now and I own a big website what relates to that sport. So please cry me a river. Dave dont even know how to shoot bodybuilders and he does not have even one photo to show that sport. So continue crying, its funny.

[snook305]

cypisek, isn't you that posted that Indiana Jones Tutorial that your buddy showed you?
Why are you asking the putts Mtmm for help?
Also your images are fine they are just missing the gritty Lucis art.. Give it more and you'll be there.
Do yourself a favor and copy the exact same thing as the Indiana Jones image on yours and you will have the same as Mtmm.
And tell your model to take some more steroids before the next shoot..:+}
Snook

[Mtmm]

Cypi, I use cmyk only when correcting skin tones for print. You should keep yellow over magenta. You can email me to get more answers, I'm not gonna give any hints to snook. I know she is crying to get some information.

[Flashtones]

Anyone got a link to the Indiana Jones tutorial you speak of?

[snook305]

Originally Posted by cypisek

yes, I posted indiana tutorial. I'm still trying use this technique on my own photo but this is not so simply ( this technique is good for great photos(good light, composition etc) I haven't got lights, softbox, ringflash and I can't make any progress I think,Mtmm technique is different than my. Mtmm is professional, I am only amateur with amateur camera. tutorial for indiana jones is little complicated and destructive for quality:/ I need to find better and simply way to this effect.

this is another test with indiana tutorial(before&after):

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/660...leoryginal.jpg
after
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/196...sle800x600.jpg

as you see I am far away from Mtmm technique:/

Philip

Don't waste your time with that pea brain Mtmm. Hi copied everything from this thread if you go back threw it you will see.
And basically it is the only "tool" he has.
Like someone mentioned his steroid boys are already interesting and when you put them in comic like scenes they look even stranger/goofier.
Go to your local gym, find the Biggest steroid boy you can, throw him in some Golf shorts and put him on a golf course, having him make idiotic faces, throw some Lucis art on a luminosity layer, smooth that at with some denoise, D&B a little and you will have the same Seen all over the web look Mtmm is doing.
No brainer.
You don't have extra light. then buy 2 5 dollar mirrors and bounce full sun from both side and your set.

Do you see any of his images on a white paper backgroud...NO!
Do you see DH with a plain white paper BG... NO!
Throw your image in a dark night time alley or in a club with dark dim lighting with smoke or something interesting and you will have a better image? Not sure what you are trying to achieve with a white background.??

You got it?

LOL
Snook

[Mtmm]

Everyone, beware, Snook is pissed off Come back girl when your perioid is over

Our girlie Snook is bouncing full sunlight with 2 mirrors everywhere, indoors, at night, when its raining......

Ms. Snook - sometimeretoucher (yes, indeed http://www.ericknorpp.com/content/bi...large/0021.jpg)

[Quantum3Studio]

Originally Posted by cypisek

it is my bodybuilder
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5325/blazejpaker.jpg
and
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7...ompkismall.jpg
and
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/8...nt1024x600.jpg

but I haven't got a lamps only sun on the sky maybe some day I will buy cool flash lamps and softbox.

Mtmm, I still analyse your style and I have many question. I dont't understand this:

--highpass/gaussian smoothing in linear light blending (very effective and clean with right numbers)--

ussualy you are working in RGB or CMYK?During your retouche Do you jumping between mode chanell? first you started with RGB, then change on CMYK...LAB...?

thanks for your before&after. you are great photographer and retoucher. I am always interesting your before&after so you can often put on forum photos. Thanks

Philip

JAja I like your pics Polish friend. They looks pretty neat and sharpen, I really like yours... By the way, why Polish people os so in love with gas masks and abandoned industries?

[Quantum3Studio]

I see war here... Pretty funny, by the way... I'm wondering if DH reads this forum. He should, and sell a DVD with this XD

[longside1]

Snook and Mtmm, can we please stop the flaming of each other, it was funny at first but like this thread in general, it's starting to wear thin!

Mtmm, I do have one question I'd like you to answer, and that is, why won't you share your post processing technique on this thread?

The purpose of this thread is to try and understand how Dave processes his images. Your technique has gone very close as we have seen from your before and after shots so why not share it?

If you are only prepared to post your images, and not explain your workflow then people rightly or wrongly are just going to think you are showing off.

It is for this reason that I think Snook is frustrated.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Cheers, Matt

[Mtmm]

I´m not showing of anymore as you can see. I post photos only if asked b/a. And yes, Snook is so frustrated and I´m laughing my ass off every time she opens her mouth.

What comes to workflow, lights first, then photoshop. Some of you are trying to go around that light part and we can see what that generates....shit. And then everyone is wannabe Scot Kelby, trying to hit every option to the max.

Try to retouch a photo so that it does not scream from mile away "I´m a trigger happy high pass user and I´m married with lucis". Look at that link from Snooks portfolio, jesus christ, someone teach her some photoshop, I wont.

You have to master light, then its time to use that skill of generating enough good highlites to right part of the image.

And I´m not claiming here that I master light, but I use lights, I´m not sitting home and wanking every option in photoshop to the max.

And someone, give snook some testosterone, that estrogen is taking over. And snook, when you know even a bit of photoshop, then you can run your mouth.

Photoshop cannot be the absolute value, you must always make an image. Everyone has an image to start with, then they are just making thousand and one ways to fuck it up. Leave it like that if you dont know when photoshop is overkill.

Over and out.

[longside1]

With respect Mtmm, you haven't answered my question.

I agree, understanding basic principles of flash is key to understanding the Dave Hill look, but then post processing is also a must.

It is quite obvious from your before and after shots that in addition to the use of flash, and subsequent dodge and burning, you are doing something else to your shots.

What i think would be very helpful to everyone on the board is if you could provide a workflow for just one of your shots.

I totally understand if you do not want to do this, but again, if you are not, I really don't see what you are contributing to this specific thread.

As a helpful suggestion, why not start a new thread where you can showcase before and after examples of your work?

[Quantum3Studio]

Originally Posted by cypisek

Hi Thanks Quantum3Studio Yes it is true we like old factory, abandoned industries, old houses etc, but I don't know why maybe because there is specific atmosphere, mood, spirit. I feel good in place like this, i like old school atmosphere This is cool contrast= new clean car+old, dirty, rusty, abandoned place or new beautiful , big building+old retro car, you know what I mean. cool and interesting composition,scenery is very important.

http://cypisek666.deviantart.com/art...y-01-119259971
http://cypisek666.deviantart.com/art/Driver-120097204

Philip

Good... You have an account in DA, will watch you right now

[Mtmm]

Sorry if my posts are not usefull to anyone. I dont have to post here then anymore. So dont ask for before after in the future.

[longside1]

Mtmm,

Apologies in advance if I offended you, but how do you feel before and after shots would be beneficial to anyone, without explaining what you have done?

[Mtmm]

Originally Posted by longside1

Mtmm,

Apologies in advance if I offended you, but how do you feel before and after shots would be beneficial to anyone, without explaining what you have done?

I posted those just when Cypi asked. I get most info when some pro reveals BA. To me is enough to see what has changed, it does not matter how it has been changed. I dont need a hand to guide me through a workflow, I love to explore by myself and make my own workflows.

[HelloPiccadilly]

my opinion, that Mtmm is not marrited with Lusic. He's just sleeping with Lusic, 1 of 7 days in week )) (read, using just 10% percent of Lusic) sorry, It was not personal)

for me, his processing lsmtng like:
1) raw processing like calvinise
2) playing with channels
3) db
4) a bit of lusic or similar
5) anything but not the most important things

I never was a fan of his works )

2mtmm:
the queistion is: why don't u share ur *raw file? and u'll see what we can do with that

[longside1]

Originally Posted by Mtmm

I posted those just when Cypi asked. I get most info when some pro reveals BA. To me is enough to see what has changed, it does not matter how it has been changed. I dont need a hand to guide me through a workflow, I love to explore by myself and make my own workflows.

I think that is a fair comment. However, there may be some individuals on this board who do not have the ability to understand from B/A shots what is how an image is processed....how do these people learn?

I for one consider myself to be proficient in Photoshop, and much of what I have learnt is from the close study of other peoples work...deciphering the image. However, I will be the first to admit that a great deal of my photoshop skills result from information shared from others, be it from forums like this or magazines etc.

I strongly believe that a significant element of your skill, also comes from knowledge provided by others.

The purpose of this thread is to do exactly that, share knowledge, not tantalise, and again that is why I see only LIMITED benefit from your provision of B/A shots, don't get me wrong, B/A does have a place, but not on this thread unless it comes with a workflow breakdown.

If you don't want to provide this, then that is completely understandable and I totally respect that...but at the end of the day why tantalise?

EDIT at Hellopicadilly, MTMM does not need to share a RAW file. What we be the point of that?

[Mtmm]

Originally Posted by HelloPiccadilly

2mtmm:
the queistion is: why don't u share ur *raw file? and u'll see what we can do with that

That is my point. Make your own raw file, good image to start with. Use as much lights as needed. You are still trying to skip the most important part of the workflow. Why me? Why dont you ask raw file from someone else? Ask Calvin or Pelle, those 2 are professionals with quality work all the way, they know how to lit a subject. But I dont see why they would ever give you a raw file to ruin.

[longside1]

Originally Posted by Mtmm

That is my point. Make your own raw file, good image to start with. Use as much lights as needed. You are still trying to skip the most important part of the workflow. Why me? Why dont you ask raw file from someone else? Ask Calvin or Pelle, those 2 are professionals with quality work all the way, they know how to lit a subject. But I dont see why they would ever give you a raw file to ruin.

I agree Mtmm, provision of a RAW file is totally pointless, if individuals do not understand how to post process it..this again brings me back to the points raised in my last post....

Again with the greatest respect, unless you contribute a meaningful explanation to your workflow, your continued contributions to this thread are baseless, and just imply that you like showing off what you can do.

I suppose the only way you can prove otherwise is by providing a workflow....

[Benny Profane]

Damn, break out the champagne! We broke through the 200,000 view count! Now, let's all get to work and break through the 2000 post count before July 4. C'mon, I know we can do it!

[Mtmm]

Originally Posted by longside1

Again with the greatest respect, unless you contribute a meaningful explanation to your workflow, your continued contributions to this thread are baseless, and just imply that you like showing off what you can do.

How many times I have to say this? I havent posted photos unless asked. So what is this? Are we on a same internet or what?

[longside1]

Mtmm,

No worries Mtmm, sorry for getting you agitated, this was not intended. To help clarify, can you provide a before and after shot, along with the associated post processing workflow?

I think this would be very beneficial to other members on the board and would also be in line with the objectives of this thread.

Apologies for any confusion.

[Mtmm]

I wont post my workflow or b/a(since those are useless).

[longside1]

Sorry Mtmm,

You've completely missed the point. As stated earlier, providing a b/a alone is worth very little.

Provision of B/A and post processing workflow would help many people on this board. If you are not prepared to do this then I and others on this board find it very difficult to understand why you are still taking part in the debate?

As I stated earlier, the only way you can demonstrate to others on this board that you genuinely want to help is by providing B/A and workflow....

If you don't want to this, (I understand if you don't) then why bother taking part in this debate?

The ball is in your court....

[snook305]

Longside give it a rest.
Your talking to some 18 year weasel who offers no help. Isn't that obviuos.
Read through the whole thread and you will see exactly what Mtmm is doing.
Not hard dude.
Like I said stop asking for some trick.. there is no trick.
This thread is hilariuos.
I could care o less about some punk ass with some out of date lame ass lucis art crap.
Go get some steroid boys from you local Gym and do what I told you to do.

Your looking for something that is not here, it is out there doing it.
The only grudge I have with Mtmm is he is a typical thread sponger who ask and ask for help but never gives anybody help.
Shows pretty much his character.
Don't you remember he was the one calling people fags and gays awhile back.
He will go really far with that attitude like I mentioned before.
You can tell how he talks in his thread that he is the only one upset here b/c he knows I called him on his character.
I am fine, I just try to help people as much as possible.
This guy has quite an ego thinking everyone wants to know his "trick" but that is part of his immature character and shows what kind of little punk ass he is.
And I must say Longside you are feeding his ego.
Get over and go out and shoot like EVERYONE here has told you a thouadn times.
I just come in here to rouse up the newbies a little b/c like Bennie profane I find humor in this thread and in people like Mtmm, they are so predictable.
What does upset me is that people let the little punk in here, if it was my forum I would have Booted him a LONG time ago.
Longside, for the last time.
Go shoot some pictures for christ sake.
Think about it. Do you think there is some "trick" he is doing?
Have you tried shooting a 5 point lighting set up???
Also what exacly are trying to achieve here? post a friggin image an I'll DH it for you.
Are you wanting to capture the style with your type of photography?
Do you even shoot pictures?
Are you a retoucher wanting to know in case someone asks you to copy the DH hill look?
Not really sure what you looking to achieve.
The ONLY Point good I will say about Mtmm is he is the ONLY one that actually has gone out and shot something similar to dave hill and tried to take what has been written here and applied it to a real situation.
Good for him, really.
I advise you to do the same and leave him and the thread alone.

Again have you tried to shoot with the lighting set up Mtmm and I and several hundred people have told you to do?
Until then stop begging Mtmm to give you some trick answer.

Post an actual image you have shot or Shut the F*** up.
Thank you
Snook