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The demystification of dave hill! let's all help!

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Old 05-19-2008, 03:09 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

Another with more vignetting.
The more I do this the more I feel I am missing something that dave does when he adds the vignettes. Somehow he is getting rings of light intermixed with the rings of dark. Maybe a blend mode on the vignette layer?
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Old 05-19-2008, 03:30 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

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Mtmm, you might consider posting that picture somewhere in a larger size and in raw tiff or psd.

This is my try at it, I know, I know, not even close. Maybe if I'd spent more than 3 minutes on it but I have to go to the store. Oh well, I tried.
Thanx for the image.
As you see, you are generating terrible halos, look at the shoulders.

Here is retouched with only d/b and some bleach bypass.

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Old 05-19-2008, 03:37 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

mtmm: youre on to something here in your last post! I would say skin texture??? maybe the picture is too small to have a good outcome for us poor dave hill fans Post bigger picture, pretty please????


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Old 05-19-2008, 03:45 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

Mtmm, two possible responses to that. One is "I don't have the luxury of working on an origional raw, post the larger image please."
The other is "look at this picture, halos? hmmmm.?
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Old 05-19-2008, 04:25 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

That is no halo, its jpg artifacts. And as you see on the shirt and on his face, that is some serious dodge and burning there.

And if I take the retouching further, I can create more highlites and shadows with first softing the skin with linear light layer with gaussian and high pass keeping the detail in the skin. Then using first white with "select color range" and then again d/b heavily.

This is just an overdone demo with extracted photo.

And this is not even close Dave Hill, but with a good lighting you can do some heavy retouch without damaging the photo with halos and other shit. I still believe, that Dave is going through the whole photo with d/b and then he does his magic.

Key point still is a good lighting with enough highlites and shadow detail.

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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

Don't want to share the origional??
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Old 05-19-2008, 04:42 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

Nope. There is some good raw files on other threads. Try to look some photos where is already good highlites to work with. If you try to do those highlites from the scratch, it does not work so well. And of course if you are working with a file that is going to be on any printable media, you got to control magenta with an adjustment layer (curves) or with other method. You can go by numbers working in cmyk space. Keep yellow over magenta.
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

deja vu! Anybody around 20 years ago remember this same conversation. Then it was Arron Jones.
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

very good. could you please explain a little more precicely what you've done. your english is a little bit too crumpled for me



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That is no halo, its jpg artifacts. And as you see on the shirt and on his face, that is some serious dodge and burning there.

And if I take the retouching further, I can create more highlites and shadows with first softing the skin with linear light layer with gaussian and high pass keeping the detail in the skin. Then using first white with "select color range" and then again d/b heavily.

This is just an overdone demo with extracted photo.

And this is not even close Dave Hill, but with a good lighting you can do some heavy retouch without damaging the photo with halos and other shit. I still believe, that Dave is going through the whole photo with d/b and then he does his magic.

Key point still is a good lighting with enough highlites and shadow detail.

http://www.bodynet.fi/kuvat/raw3.jpg
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Old 05-20-2008, 04:36 AM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

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very good. could you please explain a little more precicely what you've done. your english is a little bit too crumpled for me
Crumpled or not, my basic point is to use enough good lighting. I just wanted to explain how important lighting is when trying to emulate Dave Hill. It definitely is not only photoshop as so many is thinking. And always, retouch your photos in full resolution. In this thread I see only few good photos, rest of the photos are that same old shit trying to do it all in photoshop generating terrible halos.
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