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The demystification of dave hill! let's all help!

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Old 05-28-2008, 03:40 AM
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So, heres my few words about my way :
- some ask if it is HDR - it is not
- some ask if it is few pictures connected together and mask work - it is not
- some ask if it needs good light - yes it needs... im lasy, bad ligtning meens more work, also its easy to get "halos" effect around edges... so it is about lightning (U can chceck shadows under the car, u will understand what i mean)
- some says, it needs a lot of time in PS to get this effect - some yes, a lot no. Its more about preparing picture in the beginning, then to get the final look.

So, if U are a good photographer and can get good photo, with quite good lightning (2 Canon EX'es + 1 or 2 blends is enought if u know how use the light), then the rest is quite easy. Maybe today i will show u version with bad lightning to show what im writing about .
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Old 05-28-2008, 05:04 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

4 flashes. 3 softboxes and 1 ringflash and Wacom about 2,5 hours.
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Old 05-28-2008, 07:31 PM
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4 flashes. 3 softboxes and 1 ringflash and Wacom about 2,5 hours.
Love it! Two plus hours. Patience is an important ingredient!
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Old 05-29-2008, 10:12 AM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

Hey Cyberek, what the hell is the point of your post?
Some ask what? who asked?
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Old 05-29-2008, 03:18 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

It's becouse some words of my friends, who tried to guess, how do i made this kind of photos... everytime someone tryes to guess how this kind of ptohos are made, they usually wrong... or maybe... they right but not on 100%... the same as most threads topics
It can be done with good photo, that is usually made with "short" lenses and good lightning (U have to have lights and shadows to work on them later), with bad photo... i wouldn't even try.
It can be done few diffrent ways... Some are quick, some need more time... but usually the effect is quite simillar. Of course U can make few pictures of same scene, then make HDR from it, then work it out to get this kind of looking, then finally work with every person on photo just to get the best ligtning (from photographers point of view) - the long way, but U can also get a good photo with use 2-3 light sources + few blends (faster way)... then postprocess... with HDR U need some time, but after that, u Can make basic preperations, then some d&b and masking & d&b and this way, or sometimes there are some easiest way to get close to result, and use just a little d&b to get to that point... it depends. From my point of view... go to PS and try all things that was written here before... start from there and become creative... then You will get to the result - every one to his own, but all will look less or more the same. For me its not to copy someone, but to make own style.
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Old 05-29-2008, 03:20 PM
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Ps, dont get me wrong... read all 100% of tips written here (before), in whole thread, try this by your self, and U will get where U want .
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Old 05-29-2008, 03:54 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

My attempt.
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Old 05-29-2008, 03:58 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

Morpheus1870, I like the first image. Not overdone, still looks like a photograph.
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Old 05-29-2008, 04:45 PM
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Morpheus1870, I like the first image. Not overdone, still looks like a photograph.
Thanks crazyfly, have been trying to emulate the DH style for awhile now and can't seem to get any better than my examples posted previously. I don't know how people get that smooth pastel look to the skin tones, when i d&b it never turns out even and flawless. What d&b method do you recomend? 50%grey softlight, traditional d&b tool, curves adjustment layer 1 highlight and one shadown with layer masks?

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Old 05-29-2008, 05:16 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

Morpheus,
Personally I would forget about DH an work on perfecting what your doing, I like it better. My opinion the smooth pastel skin look will be something we look at in 15 years and go "wow, what were we thinking", not unlike the oversaturated films of the 70's.
As for D&B I can't tell you the best way, only what I use. I use the 50% grey layers (one each for lighten and darken) I don't use a curves layer as I want to train myself to see what I am burning and dodging without enhancment. I use overlay mode because I tend to overdue just about everything so when I'm finished with d&b and switch the layer to softlight it works out better. Also it seems that when I've pushed as far as I can in an area, in overlay that area starts to take on an orange cast so I know to stop.

I never use the d&b tool I use a white or black paintbrush. Reason for this is if you draw a couple lines of varying sizes in black on a white layer and then run over them with the dodge or burn tool you will see that when, for example you have the burn tool set to midtones and you run it over an area of midtones it acts like the tool just got bigger and it cuts a larger path through that section and then gets smaller again when you move to an area of light or dark. The brush tool does not behave that way and stays consistent throughout.
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