The demystification of dave hill! let's all help!

[Calvinhollywood]

I used 2 flashes in photography to get every detail.
The most important thing is the photography.
Rest i did with dodge and burn and unsharp mask

lg Calvin

[funkyboy4]

My try


http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/d...rtcopycopy.jpg

[Ich.Mario]

i like the style very much. what did you do, funkyboy?

[funkyboy4]

Eyes
I burned the pupils to make them darker and then i went round the iris wih dodge making them lighter.

Background
For the background i used some channels to make a mask then inverted it, using a gradient fill to make the red darker. I also lowered the opacity to blend it in but you can choose which background you want. Heres a link to the channel masking if it helps, give it time to load it takes ages its very tempromental- http://av.adobe.com/russellbrown/AdvancedMasking.mov

Skin
The skin is quite easy once you get the hang of it read this - http://www.photoshoptutorials.ws/pho...ooth-skin.html

Its a big read but its worth it in the end, i also lowered the saturation to make the skin slightly desaturated

Teeth
All i did for the teeth was cut it from another tooth and placed it in the gaps lowering the opacity and making a new layer painting the teeth white and putting the layer in soft light and lowering the opacity

Hair
I used hue and saturation and went into the yellow channel and lowering the saturation, using the clone tool i alo got rid of stray hairs

Lips
I dodged the lip highlights and made a new layer painted the lips pink put the layer in soft light and lowered the opacity

Hope this all helps if you want to know anything else just message me

[edgework]

Variations of this smoothing technique are all over the place. I'm not fond of the version you referenced, for a number of reasons. However the most important is that the best decription of how it works is right here in the RetouchPro tutorials section. Two articles byRo go into far greater depth, offer a much more useful set of parameters and provide a workflow flexible enough to fit any image, accomplish the purpose and minimize evidence that it was used at all. Check out These links:

http://retouchpro.com/tutorials/?m=show&id=147

http://retouchpro.com/tutorials/?m=show&id=149

A shortcut version, by the same author, known around here as the Degrunge Technique has been mentioned and described recently on some of the beauty retouching threads that are still current. I personally prefer the long version, as it is customizable to a far greater extent. Read 'em all. It's worth it.

[EdwinM]

reading from this thread and other sites...i try to emulate dave hill's effect on both fashion and other type of photography.

Here is my take...

this photo was taken using a off cam external flash, used an ultra wide lens. My friend wanted a different portrait...

used the tips given in this thread...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1412/...d0fef34d_o.jpg


this one on a pool of fishes...


http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1237/...dc3340b8_o.jpg


One thing i notice is that it does not apply to every image, an image with good quality light and sharpness is needed.

[SteveB2005]

Dave Hill has a photo illustration style similar to Jill Greenberg, known as "The Manipulator." They have a formula that works. You mean that's not the original image that comes directly out of the camera? no, just kiddin', but, to me some of the images almost look like slick comic book line drawings that are colored in, same technique. Of course the image quality, lighting and composition are first rate.

steve

I have often wondered myself how they are achieving these techniques in PS

[cli]

in the photo side:

for sure there's an underexposure of the ambient light maybe 1 entire stop or more and a wel lit subject by the use of flash for the base shot do you agree with me??
he close a lot the may be f16, f22

[superkoax]

steveB: Jill Greenbergs pictures are often retouched by Amy Dresser...so....her pictures isn't really hers since everyone loves the effect of the pictures...


gerry

[KR1156]

Originally Posted by superkoax

steveB: Jill Greenbergs pictures are often retouched by Amy Dresser...so....her pictures isn't really hers since everyone loves the effect of the pictures...


gerry

Jill has a lot more control over her retouching than you think.

[SteveB2005]

Originally Posted by superkoax

steveB: Jill Greenbergs pictures are often retouched by Amy Dresser...so....her pictures isn't really hers since everyone loves the effect of the pictures...


gerry

I'm sure that is very possible about Amy Dresser working on Jill's work. I first heard about Greenberg when I read and saw some of her images featured in an article in a digital photography magazine. I will review that article and for anyone interested in learning more about Greenberg's work, it appeared in Digital PhotoPro, Sep/Oct 2005 p 60-70. Doesn't seem to be any mention of Amy Dresser at that time, but now in 2007, who knows what she may be doing and hiring to do her post work. I do remember it said Jill still worked a lot with film cameras and then did the retouching herself with masking, D&B. Also in other interviews with Jill, she is asked questions about her post work and stylistic look

Whatever and who ever does the post work, it is quite interesting and now I may have to jump in and experiment with some of these techniques many of you have tried out

steve

[superkoax]

KR: You are right in the control, but I feel that the retouching amy does on Jills picture are so good that the picture itself get's more in the background...Hard to explain in words, but when I see jill greeneberg pictures I see the effect more than the picture itself...


gerry

[KR1156]

amys not her only retoucher, and she enhances that effect herself.

[superkoax]

KR: r u sure? I've heard other things...everytime Jill greenberg is mentioned amy dresser is also mentioned, so I have drwan my own conclusion really...that she has retouched most of her work...but I haven't been 100% sure...are you?

Cheers for answering

Gerry

[KR1156]

having worked on some stuff, i'm pretty sure.

she shoots a ton of stuff, so it is spread out.