Photo Retouching - - The demystification of dave hill! let's all help! - Page 8

KR1156 · #**106** 09-14-2007, 08:29 PM

that was a cool movie though, almost didn't make it through the 1st halfhour.....once i see freaks, and mutants and all kinds of nonsense i usually skip town!

SteveB2005 · #**107** 09-14-2007, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by superkoax

KR: You are right in the control, but I feel that the retouching amy does on Jills picture are so good that the picture itself get's more in the background...Hard to explain in words, but when I see jill greeneberg pictures I see the effect more than the picture itself...

gerry

Superkoax, here is a link about Jill Greenberg's workflow and her photography and her retouching

http://www.digitalphotopro.com/art/t...greenberg.html

See what you think

steve

PostProcessor · #**108** 09-15-2007, 11:29 PM

Hey =]
I think CMS is definatly correct =] and im no expert but from what i can see im pretty sure in one of his photos you could see the reflection of a Ring Flash in the guys glasses, this already makes the photo jump out and give a cool effect. Then in photoshop he would probably do alot of Painting with Light technique =] sort of like Jill Greenberg, she also uses Ring Flash. So yeh like CMS said he takes multiple shots and combines them to get an overall sharp image.

hope this helped a bit?

-Angelo

Sharene · #**109** 09-18-2007, 09:40 AM

Although I am just a model, I do alot of Photoshop editing too see all of what I can create. I have tried my hands at the Dave Hill effect and would love to hear what you guys thing. This is an image (of myself) where I am dressed like a guy. Basically what I did with the image was this: The image was on an all white background, I cut myself out and placed me on this street/graffiti background. I adjusted the lighting a bit on myself and on the background and continued on with the dave hill effect. :-)

Sharene P
www.freewebs.com/sharenep

SteveB2005 · #**110** 09-18-2007, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by PostProcessor

Hey =]
I think CMS is definatly correct =] and im no expert but from what i can see im pretty sure in one of his photos you could see the reflection of a Ring Flash in the guys glasses, this already makes the photo jump out and give a cool effect. Then in photoshop he would probably do alot of Painting with Light technique =] sort of like Jill Greenberg, she also uses Ring Flash. So yeh like CMS said he takes multiple shots and combines them to get an overall sharp image.

hope this helped a bit?

-Angelo

A photography student I know told me that Jill Greenberg was scheduled to give a talk and when Q&A was opened up from the students to Jill about her PS retouching and workflow, she was very vague about how she accomplishes her look. In interviews, she will just say, "I just use a lot of masking, painting and dodge and burn." Man, that answer really helps doesn't it?

But then again they still keep the top secret recipe for Coca-Cola locked up in a vault as well as McDada's "Secret Sauce." steve

pellepiano · #**111** 09-18-2007, 11:13 AM

Why must it be a secret recipe that everyone should be able to do if they just knew the ingredients?

I believe that dodge and burn requires an artist touch as normal painting would. Many of the good retocuhers has a artistic backgrounds ( greenberg, dresser, jeffery scrott, michael rosen etc ).

I have big troubles with the art of Doge and Burn =) I find it difficult knowing beforehand exactly where add or subtract to get a certain effect.

Not having a real style yet this is the look I am at now, using a lot of lights when shooting.

http://www.pellepiano.com/studiobild/images/imagef6.jpg

SteveB2005 · #**112** 09-18-2007, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pellepiano

Why must it be a secret recipe that everyone should be able to do if they just knew the ingredients?

I believe that dodge and burn requires an artist touch as normal painting would. Many of the good retocuhers has a artistic backgrounds ( greenberg, dresser, jeffery scrott, michael rosen etc ).

I have big troubles with the art of Doge and Burn =) I find it difficult knowing beforehand exactly where add or subtract to get a certain effect.

Not having a real style yet this is the look I am at now, using a lot of lights when shooting.

http://www.pellepiano.com/studiobild/images/imagef6.jpg

I've dabbled trying to learn and understand the D&B technique, but I could never really catch on how to master it. If there was a DVD available showing step by step demo on this style, maybe I could see how it's done in real time. I think there are some links here somewhere on the D&B tutorial and it is a good thing to know about

Unfortunately there is a bit of secrecy in the trade, but there are also a ton of resources available out there to pick up a lot of tricks and techniques. I still think Katrin's books are some of the best material to get started in pro retouching. Any secrecy is what to sift through to get on the right path in the least amount of time, haha, just kiddin' though.

BTW, this forum is a bit of a "secret" from the general community and even I found it by sure accident, but I'm glad I did, because it's like an online school and free scholarships access. steve

walterbulyga · #**113** 09-24-2007, 10:08 PM

thats why we use lighting to reduce or increase dynamic range

brafla6 · #**114** 09-25-2007, 09:22 PM

my attempt at dave hill

superkoax · #**115** 09-26-2007, 05:47 AM

brafla6: it looks like you have taken my retouch and altered it...it looks blown out in the forehead area...

gerry

brafla6 · #**116** 09-26-2007, 12:30 PM

I thought I had taken the "original" i apologize!

superkoax · #**117** 09-27-2007, 02:49 PM

here is a link to a very close to Dave hill by our very own rp.com member...

http://www.retouchpro.com/gallery/sh...php?photo=4813

Gerry

Calvinhollywood · #**118** 10-14-2007, 05:25 PM

Nice Picture.... and he lives 10 min away from me*g*

lg Calvin

ge0rge · #**119** 10-16-2007, 07:07 PM

Here is a photographer who is right up there with the dave hill look: Click portfolio and then next till you get to pic #9.

http://www.taylorchristianjones.com/

SteveB2005 · #**120** 10-17-2007, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ge0rge

Here is a photographer who is right up there with the dave hill look: Click portfolio and then next till you get to pic #9.

http://www.taylorchristianjones.com/

On thing I noticed about some of the work on this site was many of the subjects are posed dead center which doesn't use the rule of thirds principal. If that is the guy's style and look then that's the way it is, but I like to see more variation of composition. Some of the images are ok, as far as subject placement

Now I am seeing more and more references to the Dave Hill and Jill Greenburg look, but that style has been copied so many times, it is loosing its uniqueness, for me anyway. I would rather see a new direction of originality in photographer's work. Now they have actions you can buy to just push a button and get the "Jill Greenburg instant look."

See, it's like being an original songwriter. You play your song for someone and they say, "oh, that's sound almost like the Beatle's "Dear Prudence" or something similar or hey, sounds just like Madonna."

It's ok to be an imitator in the beginning, but after many experiments and hard work to establish a unique look, it would be good to be an innovator as well

These concepts and styles are interesting as long as 10,000 new shooters don't keep copying it. JMHO