The demystification of dave hill! let's all help!

[kyo]

Ok, something alone these lines anyway.. let me know what you think. I'm having issues seeing this image properly in Firefox, but it appears just fine in safari.. no idea why.. in FF it looks totally washed out. I've tried exporting it all sorts of ways with different color profile options..

Kyle

Edit: If you save this image and open it in Photoshop it seems to look right.

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...beach_dh-2.jpg

and the original

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w...IMG_0391-2.jpg

[JMB]

Thank you keiser. Nice method. =)

[transoptic]

Originally Posted by kyo

Ok, something alone these lines anyway.. let me know what you think. I'm having issues seeing this image properly in Firefox, but it appears just fine in safari.. no idea why.. in FF it looks totally washed out.

Safari can detect color profiles but FF only reads sRGB

[kyo]

Yea I had read that somewhere.. but even exporting in srgb it still doesn't do it. odd

[keiserjohn]

The camera was a Canon 5 D. Not my pictures, but my retouch job. And that wasn't the style they where retouched in.

Really impressed over the files in a 5 D. I mostly retouch HB 39 mp files. And lots of nice details in the canon.


Nice Job JMB....

[dex blaze]

Here's one of mine. Not that close to DH-style.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21518698@N02/2087036880/

and rawfile

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21518698@N02/2088969648/

Photo is shot by using H3D and multiple lighting. This was a quick test shoot with my photographer so there are flaws in styling.

[Mtmm]

http://koti.mbnet.fi/mtmm/mc.jpg

[pixelzombie]

Originally Posted by dex blaze

Here's one of mine. Not that close to DH-style.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21518698@N02/2087036880/

i thought that looked good, what does the original look like?

[superkoax]

Originally Posted by dex blaze

Here's one of mine. Not that close to DH-style.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21518698@N02/2087036880/

and rawfile

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21518698@N02/2088969648/

Photo is shot by using H3D and multiple lighting. This was a quick test shoot with my photographer so there are flaws in styling.

Nice work there! tell us about work flow?!

[superkoax]

Originally Posted by Mtmm

http://koti.mbnet.fi/mtmm/mc.jpg

the background is a bit to unsharp here to get that detailed dave hill background...maybe add some H/S to get more details and then try some contrast to get the lines in the background darker...Nice work! his muscles on his arms look somewhat unatural....

[Mtmm]

I´m not trying to do background, only the model. For this shot I have also an empty(no reflections) background for masking.

You cannot go messing around with S/H if you have not exposed background well. Doing S/H for dark background will generate only big nasty noise.

[dex blaze]

Originally Posted by superkoax

Nice work there! tell us about work flow?!

Thanks man, there aren't any fancy tricks in post processing here. Mostly enhancing the lighting with curves and d&b. i think in many cases the lighting is the thing although there is lots of something more with photoshop in DH photos. I hope there is nothing to do with lucis art.

[superkoax]

MTMM: when posting a picture in this dave hill thread, you should know that we judge it on the dave hill effect...backgrounds in the dave hill pictures are always crisp and well exposed. That's why I gave you a heads up...I think that this picture would benefit from crisper and lighter background not necessarily the background you are using here, maybe something more from the streets...

BTW, I just messed around with the picture to see how the background worked out I don't think it was that bad...some pixel noise, but maybe with a better background

[Paul Sabatino]

Originally Posted by dex blaze

Thanks man, there aren't any fancy tricks in post processing here. Mostly enhancing the lighting with curves and d&b.

d&b?? i'm sorry i am new to this what is that?

[pixelzombie]

Originally Posted by keiserjohn

Yes ofc. To busy at work here.




3 Now while this looked very nice on the clothes, it totally messed up the face.
So reopen the image in camera raw, play with the adjustments until you get the
look of the skin as you like.

4 Drag the Skin layer onto the cloth layer, add a black layer mask and paint in the
skin, where needed.

5 Then some basic dodge n Burn.

6 Posterize edges, the values at 1,1,1, and paint in where needed.

interesting technique, but you are right about the skin, it really looks rather harsh...

[dex blaze]

Originally Posted by Paul Sabatino

d&b?? i'm sorry i am new to this what is that?

Dodge & burn tools.

[Paul Sabatino]

Originally Posted by dex blaze

Dodge & burn tools.

ohh ok thanks.wow i feel dumb lol.

[superkoax]

Originally Posted by Paul Sabatino

ohh ok thanks.wow i feel dumb lol.

You're not the first one that does!

So here is a official "welcome to the club" ...

[Paul Sabatino]

Originally Posted by superkoax

You're not the first one that does!

So here is a official "welcome to the club" ...

hahaha thanks.


i was messing with your photo dex.i couldn't believe how easy it was when just messing with curves and what not to get this effect.my shadows were a little too dark but i am getting the hang of doing this.i am just having trouble with the eye like always.i still have to get the hang of the layer mask.i am getting there though.

[morpheus1870]

can someone please post a step by step guide to achieve this effect. I'm quite new to the retouch/post process but know how to use ps quite well. a guide would be good in simple to understand terms.

thanks in advance

[transoptic]

Originally Posted by morpheus1870

can someone please post a step by step guide to achieve this effect. I'm quite new to the retouch/post process but know how to use Photoshop quite well. a guide would be good in simple to understand terms.

thanks in advance

Have you been reading along?

[morpheus1870]

i kind of got lost at the whole dodge and burn part!

[transoptic]

Do a search in this forum for "dodge burn" or "d&b" or "Paint with light" or "PWL" and read up extensively.

[hrkljush]

ok, here is my attempt i did a month ago. is it close?

http://img31.picoodle.com/img/img31/...em_fd7e449.jpg


stock is taken from http://www.sxc.hu/photo/316755

[superkoax]

Originally Posted by hrkljush

ok, here is my attempt i did a month ago. is it close?

http://img31.picoodle.com/img/img31/...em_fd7e449.jpg


stock is taken from http://www.sxc.hu/photo/316755

keep the background sharp...more texture in the wall...the dark area on the left there should be lighter...imo..

[pellepiano]

hrkljush I like it a lot. If the light had been like DH it would be very close.

[Mtmm]

Originally Posted by superkoax

MTMM: when posting a picture in this dave hill thread, you should know that we judge it on the dave hill effect...backgrounds in the dave hill pictures are always crisp and well exposed. .

I´m sorry, but I see lots of photos in this thread with only studio background. Dave Hill is retouching his models by far more than backgrounds, or is somebody here thinking that background is the thing? Heads up koax, you should know that for example HDR will produce very cool backgrounds, but you cannot use it on humans. If you can produce DH-like skintones, then you can do backgrounds with one hand.

[superkoax]

mtmm: why did you post your picture in the first place? you can't handle other people giving you examples on what to do better to achieve dave hill? And then you write you don't do backgrounds, well dave hill does backgrounds...so therefor I mentioned your background...

[Mtmm]

As I said, lots of other users have posted photos with no DH-like backgrounds, and that is because everybody is trying to do DH like retouch to models, that is the difficult part of the process. Everybody knows what kind of style is attached to DH:s backgrounds. I dont think you need to remind that to me or to others. So is there a problem only with my photos or what are you trying to say? I can also stop posting, no problem there.

And I did not say that I dont do backgrounds, I mean i did not try to do it in that photo.

Usually I do bg:s.

http://koti.mbnet.fi/mtmm/pic.jpg

[scottyb70]

Here is my try. I just used the supplied jpg on this forum.