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Old 07-28-2008, 05:35 PM
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Dude you defintely have some problems..

You come in here asking for all kinds of help..Even stating to others that they are holding out, then when called on your own post you do the same..
then I am trying to get what you say clear. I simply state what you have already stated. you even posted and image showing it. On this image I used only D&B and bleach hypass.
Then I ask you what bleach bypass you are using and you say you never said that.
So I quote you and you seem to have forgotten or do not want anybody to know that is what you are doing.
Who is the wise guy here...??

By the way your select range with white is the Amy dressler trick that she so un selfishly told everyone.
She even posted a psd with an actual image showing it on her layers.
People that are secure in what they are doing and are un selfish are the ones that help out and are not worried about peope copying them.
Like I said, no one is going to say... Wow that is the Mtmm look..
Dude when you grow up and want to play with the Big boys come on back,
but if you come in here only ranting to others then doing the same thing is not cool.
If you look at you history state here , you only have come in to pick out this thread.. So your leaving is going to be your loss...
Snook
Amen......
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Old 07-28-2008, 05:36 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

How many of you have actually tried to see Dave Hills behind the scenes and tried to compare the behind the scene pictures with the pictures in his portfolio? I'm not sure if someone posted this before, but if you look at the "early November Promo Shoot" and find the band picture in portfolio nr3(top right corner) and look at the two guys sitting with the table...They are the same in the before an dafter shot...Wouldn't we all agree on that it's PS that made the effect? Look at the difference in details when you look at the clothing and table...
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Old 07-28-2008, 06:07 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

Photoshop... Now way..
It is the lighting...
you did not see the video where he shows the black electric tape strips on the his ringflash.. that is what does it.. Special lighting...:+]

There is hardly any post....:+}

Alos as we all know by now that dave is also lying a lot..
He laughs about using HDR trying to be sarcastic yet all his backgrounds or most are HDR...
I guess he means he personally does not HDR but obviously his retoucher does.
Or maybe he smoking the same the Mtmm is and really cannot remember how he does it or what he says..:+}

Hey Mtmm.. what up...
Snook
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Old 07-28-2008, 07:57 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

To me... its very obvious he is using some sort of HDR on the background, then he is compositing each model into the scene.

See in this before and after shot. He lights each set of models individually, layers them, masks them in. At least in this shot.

Before and After Shot

The only way that makes me think it isn't HDR (at least not an extreme HDR) is that the windows are blown out.
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Old 07-28-2008, 09:16 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

I was obviously joking about the lighting...

Also That is not HDR probably..Does not look like it.

I was referring to a lot of his other shot's where he has composited a whole new background...
As soon as I see that before and after together it screams Lucis even though he does not use it.. Little doses of lucis and smoothing it out and then some more will get you close enough for sure
Or doing the Lightroom trick but in steps.
Lightroom and the contrast mask are getting at the same results. Just Contrast masking is more controlled and precise.
Shadow and Highlights is trying to do the same also.
Lifting shadows to give in others words impossible lighting scenario. SO it tricks the mind a little..
Snook
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Old 07-28-2008, 11:12 PM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

Snook, do you have a reference that explains the CMYK skin color thing?
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Old 07-29-2008, 08:34 AM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

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Snook, do you have a reference that explains the CMYK skin color thing?
rystro I will try to find one today...
I used it every time I open an image to make sure the skin tones are nice before I work then I check after I am done retouching to make sure they do shift too much.

Maybe Mtmm will ring in an help out... I seriously doubt it.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...essage=6638682
http://www.planetphotoshop.com/forum...ead.php?p=5043

I did a google and they showed up right away.. many
I learned my from instructional videos by eddie tapp and the such...:+}
you can also use threshold to find lightest and darkest points in an image and then you can make sure there is no color cast either to the image by making sure the whites are 245 245 245 unless you want to clip at 250 250 250...
Snook
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Old 07-29-2008, 09:54 AM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

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Before and After Shot

The only way that makes me think it isn't HDR (at least not an extreme HDR) is that the windows are blown out.
I think this earlier shot by DH is no where as 'nice' as his later stuff.
You can tell he was still finding his style then.

Having said that, i worked on the top half trying to match the bottom as
quickly as i could. I did NO localized adjustments such as d&b etc so i realize
some guys faces are too dark etc. It could be easily fixed though.

I did this with 4 layers in about 1-2mins. Mainly to show i don't think his
earlier work is as refined as what he does now. Also remember this
was done on the tiny jpg posted above. I still think it's close in the overall
look though.

Check it out here.

No lucis but two of the layers were high pass at various settings.
One was a slight desat. The first one i did 'enabled' the look for this image.
Snook, if you wanna know, i WILL tell you. Haha.
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Old 07-29-2008, 10:45 AM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

This photographer's stuff reminds me of Dave Hill and there is a little bit of explanation to their process....

http://www.thefstopmag.com/?p=196

It's a really cool website too, they interview one of my favorite photogs, Erwin Olaf.
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Old 07-29-2008, 11:04 AM
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Re: The demystification of dave hill! let's all he

Looks good captain..
Some may be confused here, but I really could care o less about the dave hill look..
I am always interested in how people do things, not to copy but to learn and be able to pull it out of the bag o tricks.
I know how to get close enough.
But I have several retouchers I use that could do it ina second if needed.
I did this look like 5-6 years ago.
I just dislike leechers like Mtmm who come in leecher asking everybody for help etc.. then when they are called to help out a little, they start acting stupid like he has...
Then you have people that have class that feel better helping people.
You all know what I mean.
What really pissed me off is Mtmm himself harassed several people b/c they were "holding" out in this very thread.. then he goes and does the same thing.
I think you call them Bigots.

Not only is Mtmm trying to copy Dave but he also is using the same subject as Dave Hll. Ole Steroid finnish sailers.
Dave atleast shoots UFC champions...:+}

The F stop is a great site.
Very talented photographers showing everything from lighting to post processing.
You think those guys care if some Punk like Mtmm knows their technique.
Don't think so.
Maybe Rystro will give his version of what Mtmm is privately sharing??
:+}

Then Mtmm resorts to calling people Fags...
well I think in the fashion business and photography business he will go real far calling people "fags".

Again I could care o less about Dave Hill look. (Removed inflammatory content)

Keep it polite or don't bother posting.

Gary


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