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Old 09-27-2007, 09:43 PM
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-For the healing brush i use a brush that is a similar diameter as what i want to remove, for moles/freckles and things like that where i just hover over the area and click it seems to work ok but on the hairs where i have to click then drag over the hair it doesn't seem to work so good.

-For dodge and burn i only learnt how to do this the other day from the dave hill thread here, i create a new layer and set it to overlay and click the "fill with overlay-color (50% gray)", then i use the dodge and burn tool on 5% exposure with the airbrush selected (i don't know what having the airbrush selected does as i can't notice any difference whether it's on or off , i don't know if this is a good way to dodge and burn but it seems to work ok.
Thanx for help
Using the actual dodge and burn tools are only about half as effective.

There are a lot of different approaches. I'll tell you how mine differs from yours and why.

I use a transparent Hard Light layer, no grey necessary, and simply paint my lights and darks into that single layer. Dodging and burning into a grey layer will pretty much duplicate the effect of painting white and black, but sometimes it works better to use actual tones sampled from the image: a highlight that hasn't blown out, and a shadow that nice and dark, but still showing tone. This is useful if white and black are creating discoloration, and impossible with the dodge and burn tools.

I set the opacity of my brush to 5%, and i make sure my brush is pressure sensitive. Why Hard Light as opposed to Overlay, or Soft Light, as some suggest? All three of those modes will both lighten and darken based on the applied strokes, but both Overlay and Soft Light drop off in intensity as the underlying pixels approach light and dark, which is a good thing if you are using an Overlay layer to add noise or grain: you don't want to muddy up your shadows and highlight. But for Dodging and Burning, I like the evenness of the effect across the range. It's never good for plugged up shadows or blown out highlights, of course, but sometimes you need to modify pale tones or dark areas, and Overlay will necessarily be less effective there.

I like the fact that I can switch from dodging to burning and back again simply by pressing the "X" key, rather than selecting a different tool each time, and I like that it all takes place in a single layer. Some approaches suggest two curve layers, one to lighten, one to darken, or perhaps a layer set to multiply and one set to screen, but then you not only have to select a new layer each time, you usually end up working on at least some pixels with each layer at once as you try to first darken then lighten to get things balanced. With a single layer, if you lighten too much, your darken strokes will simply reverse the effect. Clean, straightforward, one layer, one keystroke to switch. It works for me.

As for the Healing Brush: you need to give it another chance. You should be able to remove all the hairs without botching the texture with the healing brush. It's your number one weapon with a problem like this. Dodge and Burn later, to balance tones.
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Old 09-28-2007, 08:31 AM
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Folks! you can set a keyboard shortcut to switch your dodge and burn Curve layers. F1 for activating Dodge layer and Command F1 for Burn - set up actions. Your Curve Layers need to be named the same in each document.

I've used all the methods at one time or another, and like to vary them to keep my life intersting. The advantage with the dual curve method is that its the most editable and flexible. lightening and darkening moves can be later adjusted separately or boosted. Also, and heres a tip, you can group adjustment layers (clipping groups I mean) especially hue/sat layers to desaturate or colorise, whatever you want.

methods .. all useful, none rubbish
• Dual curves, explained above. Also Levels, Channel mixer, etc etc can be used in the same way

• Dodge and burn on flat pixel layers! in my humble experience, still used by many of the most experienced, years on the job retouchers, for reasons mainly to do with superstition.. and practiced years of doing it that way.

• Overlay/S-light/H-light layers filled with grey, or not, doesn't make much difference to result. This method enables you to brush in Colour as well as tone.

• Solid colour layers, filed with carefully chosen warmer colors can have blend modes applied (usually Overlay and S-Light) and these can be brushed in in the same way as the curves. This allows easy modification of the color at a later stage.

There you go dodge and burn 101. Actually doesn't matter too much how you do it, its more about spade work, and whether it works or not depends mainly on judgement, and whether you had a bad night

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Old 09-28-2007, 08:40 AM
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Re: Beauty Retouching Help

Oh yeah, and dodge and burn is not just for skin
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Old 10-25-2007, 10:58 PM
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Re: Beauty Retouching Help

that's my 1º post ever
hope u like it ^^
i'd love to read some comments about my attempt =)
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Old 10-27-2007, 08:33 PM
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Re: Beauty Retouching Help

I thought that I would take a stab at it too. Any feedback would be appreciated.
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Old 01-06-2008, 06:52 PM
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Re: Beauty Retouching Help

My Try!
Let me know what you think.

Robert
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Old 01-09-2008, 01:10 PM
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Re: Beauty Retouching Help

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Sometimes it becomes boring, skinretouching.
(but I always start, and than I can't stop anymore).


ohh man you have to help me out thats what i want to achieve.that skin looks so nice.
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Old 01-09-2008, 01:24 PM
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Re: Beauty Retouching Help

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x...reandafter.jpg

i gave it a try.
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Old 01-10-2008, 01:18 PM
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Re: Beauty Retouching Help

come on guys, get rid of those little hairs on the side of her face. Just takes some healing
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Old 01-10-2008, 08:07 PM
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Smile Re: Beauty Retouching Help

Brings up something I've been wondering. When should you remove things like the hair on her face and when should you not?
Might be offensive to the person if it's a portrait. Last thing you want to do is offend a client. (They would know they have hair on their face)

With a model for a beauty shot like this, more than likely the hair should be removed.

Thoughts.....

Thanks

Robert
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