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Old 10-12-2007, 06:53 AM
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Burn And Dodge Problems

I've had issues trying to use burn and dodge to cover up facial blemishes instead of using the healing brush. Most of my images are of non caucasian people. When I try to dodge on a person skins it ends up mutating into weird colors like orange or red even though the complexion is fine.

How does one create flawless skin on dark skinned people WITHOUT using blurring, cloning or the healing brush and simply relying on dodging and burning without the colors mutating?

Ivan
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Old 10-12-2007, 07:36 AM
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Re: Burn And Dodge Problems

You will probably find that the dual Curve method works best for this. After you've moved the composite curve up or down, you can of course control the Curve colour channels until you get exactly the tone you want. You can also Group a Hue/Saturation adjustment with the curves and move the Hue slider.

Another solution is to use an Overlay layer, for Burn you may like to sample a color and then darken it taking out some saturation. Non white skin is sometimes more difficult to make sure colors don't go wierd I agree.
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Old 10-12-2007, 08:01 AM
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I've had issues trying to use burn and dodge to cover up facial blemishes instead of using the healing brush.
I would suggest that there is a good reason for this: You're using the wrong tool for the job. Dodging and Burning, whatever flavor of it you prefer, is best for fine tuning all those myriad irregularities in tone that need to be tweaked this way or that to bring the whole surface into a uniform effect. It's not great for gross shifts in tone and the complexity of any given blemish is far more work than you want to deal with, given that by their nature, blemishes produce both lights and darks that cause them to stand out from their surroundings. Moving in close enough with dodging and burning is theoretically feasible, but unnecessary, since the healing brush will do most of the heavy lifting with a fraction of the effort, usually with no residual clutter.

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How does one create flawless skin on dark skinned people WITHOUT using blurring, cloning or the healing brush and simply relying on dodging and burning without the colors mutating?
I'll resist getting into a detailed discussion of D & B here; one, because Markzebra offered an intelligent reply that should give you some good ideas to start with, two, because I think you need to revisit the healing brush and figure out why it's not working for you.

A third option, similar in technique to D & B, can be effective when you have areas of general blotchiness that don't really respond well to healing and are too large or numerous for D & B. Take a couple of readings of your skin tone, one of a representive area of blotchiness, one of nearby smooth skin that you want to match. In a curve adjustment layer, plug in the numbers for input and output in each channel, then mask the whole thing. Now paint white into the mask the same way you would in a Dodge/Burn layer or mask. It requires the same subtlty as D&B, but by definition, you avoid the unwanted color drift, and you can cover a fairly wide range with one curve, bringing darker (or lighter, as the case may be) patches into line with the surrounding tones.

Don't try to do everything with one tool either. So you dodge & burn and you find you have some irregularities left over. Hit them with the healing brush. Try a targeted curve. Then go back and do some more D&B. Each technique is a tool to be used as needed, not a one size fits all solution.
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Old 10-12-2007, 09:56 AM
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Dodge and burn is not the key to remove blemishes. U may use it , but I think is harder. Clone, copy, heal, patch but leave the doge and burn to shadowing and lights.
IGNORE THIS ADVISE.

there is no one way to do anything. If while dodging or burning the skin changes color, change it back the way you want it. D&B is not the magic fix for all and the only thing involved in skin work. they'd take all the other tools out of PS if that were the case. You do it until it looks right, however many steps it takes.
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Old 10-12-2007, 10:06 AM
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Re: Burn And Dodge Problems

Hi

Is there any particular reason you don't wish to use clone/healing tools?
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Old 10-12-2007, 10:16 AM
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Re: Burn And Dodge Problems

If you are referring to me, I'm not opposed, however solely using clone and healing rarely looks good - just mucked up pixels.
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Old 10-12-2007, 10:19 AM
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Re: Burn And Dodge Problems

I meant the original poster, I just wondered if there was a specific reason he couldnt use other tools.
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Old 10-12-2007, 10:26 AM
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I meant the original poster, I just wondered if there was a specific reason he couldnt use other tools.
How long have you been at Corbis? I started my retouching career there right out of photo school at the headquarters outside of Seattle.
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Old 10-12-2007, 10:44 AM
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Re: Burn And Dodge Problems

Ivan, yes there is a way - LAB is the color space that separates color from luminosity. You can dodge and burn without appreciably shifting the color.
Try converting your image to LAB mode. Add a new layer filled with 50% gray and set the blend mode to Overlay. Alternately use a soft Black or White brush at very low opacity to burn and dodge.
Regards, Murray
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Old 10-12-2007, 10:58 AM
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Re: Burn And Dodge Problems

Hey Guys thanks a bunch for all the advice. I actually love the healing brush especially when resampling a lot. However, on this forum I've heard some of the purists say that D & B is the way the pros get perfect skin that still has the original texture. Therefore, I was trying to "learn" how the alledged "pros" achieve this by using only two tools.

In a nut shell I think that the healing brush is a life saver.

Thanks for all the suggestions and guidance.
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