Photo Retouching - - The demystification of Jill Greenberg!!! - Page 3

pellepiano · #31 11-06-2007, 05:43 PM

Then half the job is done =) I suggest you look at another thread here with similar images and sharp highlights, regarding Dave Hill. There are also many threads about PWL ( Painting with Light ).

skydog · #32 11-07-2007, 05:20 AM

Help me here...what is the difference between "dodge and burn" and "paint with light"?

pellepiano · #33 11-07-2007, 05:30 AM

Dodge and Burn usually refers to the tools with the same name, while PWL is when you have a layer filled with 50% grey , set to Overlay, and paint with black or white. Both methods do the same thing but the Dodge and Burn tools have some extra choices like , only burn midtones and so on.

saby · #34 11-07-2007, 05:47 AM

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Heres my try ... or version ...

Is's so cool

saby

skydog · #35 11-07-2007, 09:52 AM

I asked this once before but never recieved an answer..hopefully this time. Like Pelle said above one can dodge and burn highlights, midtones and shadows. What does CS3 consider a highlight, midtone, and shadow? What am I doing when I burn lets say a highlight vs dodging a highlight vs a midtone?

pellepiano · #36 11-07-2007, 10:02 AM

Dodging means you brighten the highlights,midtone or shadow, and burn is the other way around, as I understand it. I use only PWL ( unless cleaning layer masks ).

Alfred · #37 11-07-2007, 01:25 PM

How's this?

knottyy · #38 11-07-2007, 03:36 PM

Thank you pellepiano. I appreciate it.

plasticjack · #39 11-08-2007, 03:33 PM

unfortunately. the lighting for this image is very flat. it does indeed help to have a very good lighting setup. lighting IS everything. but anyway here is my submission. it's a greenberg/hill mix. kind of a combination of the two.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/1...etshillse1.jpg

one thing that helps tremendously when it comes to this style is if you have a background in illustration/painting. because in order to make this effect work good you have understand how not to overdo it and at the same time not underdo it. there really isn't a magic button or action. all i simply did here was duplicate the layer and dodge and burn the hell out of it. i generally use very low exposure settings for dodging and burning and just continuously put on layer after layer. having a good understanding of light goes a long way. because especially with this image. i added shadows that were not really there or just very faint. when dodgin and burning i generally keep most of the strokes set on midtones. i rarely every use highlights and occasionally burn with shadows. hope this helps some.

superkoax · #40 11-08-2007, 04:30 PM

plasticjakc: I think your version is very good! abit darke ares on the skin, but really nice overall feel! good on ya! maybe I'm wrong, but maybe a dash of yellow would help? or less magenta? hmm....that color correction is what I struggle with the most

superkoax · #41 11-08-2007, 04:33 PM

alfred: Nice eyes!

Alfred · #42 11-09-2007, 07:48 AM

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alfred: Nice eyes!

Thanks, much appreciated!

learza · #43 11-09-2007, 09:38 AM

Nice thread had fun with the try ...

Greets

learza

superkoax · #44 11-13-2007, 04:55 PM

So, guys...when coming back to the main workflow here...How does a retoucher get balanced results? Since she has a vast collection of pictures I feel that her pictures offer almost the same retouching when it comes highlights...Has she any retouching career in her past?

As a sidequestion:
When do we know, that your own style is unique?

EternalTomorrow · #45 11-13-2007, 05:41 PM

Well its Amy Dresser that does her retouching, so that could be something. That's why the majority of her work 'looks' the same in Post. Look at all of Dresser's other stuff, very similar as well.