The demystification of Jill Greenberg!!!

[superkoax]

Originally Posted by mr.aj

if i was jill i woulnt regret anything. you are being way too sensitive, man...that is what is wrong with the army today...too many mothers. Toughen up a little bit, so what the kids are crying, kids cry, who cares. What matters is she got a shot you will never be good enough to get, and she did it by taking candy from a baby. Maybe you can learn something from her...maybe not.

hehe...! So, I'm a mother? hehe...wow! You are truly mature in your way of discussing, I must admit it was really funny to read! To debate on your statements, Jill is a VERY good photographer. But sometimes people go a bit too far to achieve good results!

Yes, I admit, I'm not even close to her results, but so are probably everyone else in here! What is it to learns from Jill? Well, that going too far is really too far! As a father I wouldn't let anyone do this too my son, so the parents to these kids should also think twice!

[transoptic]

That's just the point. The parents of those kids consented. They probably even got good monetary compensation. What would be the difference if Jill jumped around a corner and yelled "BOO!!!"?

Does it emotionally scar the kids for life? No. In fact, I bet none of them even remember that day. So to say it's going too far is silly. Especially to label it as exploitation. If all the times I've been exploited in my life was because someone stole my lollipop, I'd be a happy happy man.

[comeclose]

just cut the crap guys. Everytime I tried to find a tutorial about Jill Greenberg's work it always ended in controversy about her crying children work. This thread started out very nice and this is actually my first post and I joined because of this thread, so helpful thanks to Pellepiano, Sistere, and Enigmaphoto.
Take the debate about her crying children work somewhere please! I believe we have enough discussion of that.

Btw, when you reply there is a small note on the top of the box, quote:
"(If your reply is off-topic, please start a new thread instead)"

Need to say clearer than that?

[saby]

there is nothing more honest than face of a child could be

saby

[ikagami]

Originally Posted by pellepiano

Dodge and Burn usually refers to the tools with the same name, while PWL is when you have a layer filled with 50% grey , set to Overlay, and paint with black or white. Both methods do the same thing but the Dodge and Burn tools have some extra choices like , only burn midtones and so on.

why filled with 50% Grey??
50% grey will be invisible in the overlay mode so you dont have to fill the layer with 50% grey. Just a new layer set to overlay is enough.

[transoptic]

^^ It's helpful to me personally when I want to view only the overlay layer to see how my brushstrokes look.

[pellepiano]

I dont use a grey layer myself but I once read a good explanation on why its used ( that I now have forgot ). The difference could be how photoshop handles transparency in different blend modes, opposed to a filled area.

Havent noticed any difference when testing though.

[superkoax]

Originally Posted by transoptic

That's just the point. The parents of those kids consented. They probably even got good monetary compensation. What would be the difference if Jill jumped around a corner and yelled "BOO!!!"?

Does it emotionally scar the kids for life? No. In fact, I bet none of them even remember that day. So to say it's going too far is silly. Especially to label it as exploitation. If all the times I've been exploited in my life was because someone stole my lollipop, I'd be a happy happy man.

Yes, the parents are to blame as well! That I'm agreeing on! But to say that it's ok to do it since the kids can't remember it later in life?!

We agree to disagree...

Originally Posted by comeclose

just cut the crap guys. Everytime I tried to find a tutorial about Jill Greenberg's work it always ended in controversy about her crying children work. This thread started out very nice and this is actually my first post and I joined because of this thread, so helpful thanks to Pellepiano, Sistere, and Enigmaphoto.
Take the debate about her crying children work somewhere please! I believe we have enough discussion of that.

Btw, when you reply there is a small note on the top of the box, quote:
"(If your reply is off-topic, please start a new thread instead)"

Need to say clearer than that?

Don't be so full of your self here...BOOHOO...You look for Jill tutorials! Not my problem you can't find them? I mentioned this as a side thing in my opening post when starting this thread! So cut the BS when you call this off topic! This has nothing to do with off topic since it's her techniques/workflow that's being discussed in photo/retouching!

I admit that I diverted the discussions a little bit when I mentioned this situation earlier, but it's nothing to cry over is it? This is the last time I'm going to mention it! so wuhu!!!

Originally Posted by saby

there is nothing more honest than face of a child could be

saby

Nice feel over it, sab!

[saby]

thanx Gerry

saby

[prizo]

I think my latest photo-shoot resulted in a somewhat 'Greenburgian' shot:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2280/...559b560524.jpg

[EternalTomorrow]

Originally Posted by prizo

I think my latest photo-shoot resulted in a somewhat 'Greenburgian' shot:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2280/...559b560524.jpg

what did you do for post work and what was your lighting setup?

[Calvinhollywood]

Nice thread here... great superkoax

By the way... amy is a lovely person....she dont have secrets.

I guess Amy WAS the retoucher of Jills pictures. I am not sure

lg Calvin

[zogdart]

I don't think jill did anything wrong with the kids.
If you go to the mall, Go see Santa Claus and check out how many kids are scare to sit on santa's lap...and how many are crying...but yet the parent's still want's the picture!

I was at the mall yesterday and i saw this quite a few times... Espacialy around that age!!! are there bad parent's ? did you check your own photo's when you where a kid if you where crying in some of them? does that mean your parent's where bad if you have picture of you crying? All i'm saying is at this age they will cry for almost anything. So i don't see anything wrong. i'm sure the parent's that where there are responsable and loving parent's. there was no slaping. just taking away a candy.

that's my opinion.

[pellepiano]

Here is sort of Jill lighting, but the PP is still lacking.

[mrkronk]

Might as well give it a 1-2 try.

-C