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The demystification of Jill Greenberg!!!

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Old 11-08-2007, 05:33 PM
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Old 11-09-2007, 08:48 AM
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Old 11-13-2007, 05:55 PM
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Re: The demystification of Jill Greenberg!!!

So, guys...when coming back to the main workflow here...How does a retoucher get balanced results? Since she has a vast collection of pictures I feel that her pictures offer almost the same retouching when it comes highlights...Has she any retouching career in her past?

As a sidequestion:
When do we know, that your own style is unique?
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Old 11-13-2007, 06:41 PM
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Re: The demystification of Jill Greenberg!!!

Well its Amy Dresser that does her retouching, so that could be something. That's why the majority of her work 'looks' the same in Post. Look at all of Dresser's other stuff, very similar as well.
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Old 11-13-2007, 07:04 PM
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Re: The demystification of Jill Greenberg!!!

Jill Greenberg has been retouching since the early 90s. Thats where she got the nickname Manipulator as I understand it.
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Old 11-13-2007, 07:17 PM
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Re: The demystification of Jill Greenberg!!!

I'm not sure if you guys have seen this, but here are some excerpts from an Amy Dresser Interview discussing her techniques:

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"Before i do any retouching... I adjust the overall color of a photo (no point in retouching anything that will be blown out or hidden in shadows in the end).
Most of my color adjustments are through curves (i adjust the individual channels) and an occasional hue/sat layer--- just personal taste. typically desaturate the reds a bit... as most peoples' flaws are reddish in nature, this diminishes some the areas vs. actual bumps. Also, i'm a bigger fan of desaturated images vs. saturated ones... i think i can control the shape of things better when i don't have to worry about weird saturation drop-offs.

I usually work an image up in an all over and gradual manner... kind of general to specific. I refine color as i go along, carve features and remove blemishes sort of all at the same time. This way, if don't spend as much time as i'd like, the image should be fairly presentable if the deadline is sooner rather than later.

Here are the general things i do:

Rubber stamp out major stuff (on a copy of the original layer of course) at 100% on normal mode. I make sure that all the cloning i do is completely unnoticeable. No big blur blobs all over the place or step-marks. Not a fan of the healing brush either.

Dodge and burn small light and dark spots and areas... anything that distracts and jumps out at me-- always set on midtones at about 3-4% with the fuzziest brush you got with "other dynamics" selected so the pen pressure is in effect. This is where i spend the bulk of my time. To speed this up, i have programmed the 2 buttons on my pen to be the short cuts for decrease brush size and increase brush size.

Even out the skin tones to be basically the same hue, saturation through out a figure/face/image. i'll use the lasso with a fat amount feathering on it and circle/trace areas that i want to adjust. Again, i favor curves. These typically will be very subtle in nature... with the middle of a channel's curve just pulled up or down a notch or 2

"I refer to already existing highlights and exaggerate and/or simplify them. This is one of those things that will come naturally if you've done a lot of figure drawing, otherwise, it just takes practice. I have a few methods of doing this and sometimes i use one... sometimes more.

1--more dodging and burning! I almost always do some amount of carving directly on the retouched image by dodging and burning– pure and simple. 0% hardness brush, still at about 3-4%. It's a good idea to do this on a second copy of the retouched layer just in case i get carried away and something starts to look weird. In case the client
says "woah, too much!"-- it's easy to lightly mask out what's overkill."

"make 2 curves layers... one curve pulled down, the other pulled up. I fill both masks black and then paint in areas on the individual layers that i want to carve down or up (0% hardness on the brush, 100% opacity, 1% flow). This is method make a low-impact on your file size, but i dislike it because i have to switch back and forth between layers. ."

"make a new layer, fill with 50% grey and set that layer to "overlay" and paint black or white (again, 0% hardness on the brush, 100% opacity, 1% flow) to carve down or up. This method sometimes adds more saturation to the carved shadows than i would prefer

"plain old painting white on an empty layer set to "normal"-- 0% hardness on the brush, 100% opacity, 1% flow, "other dynamics" selected. I do this to every image i work on

" this may possibly be my only "trick." This has to be done as a final step or it will magnify any so-called-flaws that are white in nature. Make a new empty layer on top of everything. with pure white selected as the foreground color in the tool bar go to Select > Color Range. The whites of the image should already be selected by default. Move the fuzziness slider so the slightest dusting of selection will be made (click selection radio vs. image radio), hit OK. Fill this selection with white. Mask or erase out what is too
much. sometimes i blur this layer a bit

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Well its Amy Dresser that does her retouching, so that could be something. That's why the majority of her work 'looks' the same in Post. Look at all of Dresser's other stuff, very similar as well.
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Jill Greenberg has been retouching since the early 90s. Thats where she got the nickname Manipulator as I understand it.
I have heard that as well, that she has doen all her retouching her self! But then again I feel that some of the picture look very similar to amy dressers retouching....
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SISTERE: NICE!!! Where did you read this?? thanks!
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Old 11-15-2007, 03:55 AM
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Re: The demystification of Jill Greenberg!!!

I did a tutorial ages ago based on that post Sistere.

Can be found here;

Here it is.

It's been getting on average about 200 hits per day for the last 4-5 months.
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