Photo Retouching - - The demystification of Jill Greenberg!!! - Page 6

superkoax · #76 01-01-2008, 04:45 PM

PELLE: Nice one there...like the funny situation you've created..

Mrkronk: Looks very good with the facial expression and the highlights, but the side lighting is too bright! If you look under his jaw it looks liek his head has been placed on top of the body due to the lighting there...can you make the skin there equal to the rest of his neck?
I just added my edition...hope you don't mind?

I tried to take down the higlights on his neck and tried to get more texture of the burned out areas on the sides there...nothing much, but some...

mrkronk · #77 01-01-2008, 07:44 PM

Superkoax,

Thanks a tonnes for the input / retouch - much appreciated.
I figured a lot of the issues are best fixed in the actual shooting process... things to change for next time I suppose.

I'm workin on smoothin out those hard lines right now... ill upload my rendition when I finish.

Thanks a lot though, respect.

-C

EternalTomorrow · #78 01-01-2008, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mrkronk

Superkoax,

Thanks a tonnes for the input / retouch - much appreciated.
I figured a lot of the issues are best fixed in the actual shooting process... things to change for next time I suppose.

I'm workin on smoothin out those hard lines right now... ill upload my rendition when I finish.

Thanks a lot though, respect.

-C

care to fill us in on your process?

zogdart · #79 01-13-2008, 08:01 PM

I came across a video of her today on you tube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-juH...=jill+grenberg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byt3_...eature=related

i taught some people would like to see some of her lighting set-up!

namphoto · #80 01-13-2008, 08:44 PM

i got the answer!

$3,000+ worth of lights and modifiers
$20,000+ camera and digital back
$500+ DJ

the ingenuity of post processing: priceless

and for everything else, there's retouchpro.

zogdart · #81 01-14-2008, 03:05 AM

good one namphoto!

but you can have the same look for a lot cheaper.

a decent canon. some cheap strobe's (light is light)

and put on your favorite CD

I still have my photogenic that i bought years ago, recycling is slow but the outpout is still 5500K. 2 silver unbrella. you rent a ring flash. 2 grid light. + a hair light and your on business!

superkoax · #82 01-14-2008, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by zogdart

I came across a video of her today on you tube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-juH...=jill+grenberg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byt3_...eature=related

i taught some people would like to see some of her lighting set-up!

nice, thanks for sharing this with us!

Quote:

Originally Posted by namphoto

i got the answer!

$3,000+ worth of lights and modifiers
$20,000+ camera and digital back
$500+ DJ

the ingenuity of post processing: priceless

and for everything else, there's retouchpro.

Hehe! I feel your hungerfor more money and feeling a bit lost to the end results since the shoots are done with high end equipment, BUT she started out somewhere right!?

xfx · #83 01-16-2008, 09:00 PM

Gwen steff type greenberg. Low res.

pixelzombie · #84 01-16-2008, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by xfx

Gwen steff type greenberg. Low res.

looks nice, what does the original look like?

meditom · #85 01-16-2008, 11:41 PM

good job xfx. can you tell us something about your workflow? only dodge and burn
or filters too?

skydog · #86 01-17-2008, 05:28 AM

I can move this question if it doesn't fit. Those with lighting experience what exactly is Jill using here? What is the cost of each item? What is the alternative if one is on a budget? If I have no lighting except a 580EX would you invest in the type of lighting Jill uses or something else. You may say it depends on the effect I want to achieve, but lets say I want a sound good basic flexible portable reliable system. I could pay $3000, but less is better and value is more important than name unless value/name is the same.

superkoax · #87 01-17-2008, 12:42 PM

XFX: Very nice feel to that! did you light this subject? Or did you just retouch it?

namphoto · #88 01-17-2008, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by skydog

I can move this question if it doesn't fit. Those with lighting experience what exactly is Jill using here? What is the cost of each item? What is the alternative if one is on a budget? If I have no lighting except a 580EX would you invest in the type of lighting Jill uses or something else. You may say it depends on the effect I want to achieve, but lets say I want a sound good basic flexible portable reliable system. I could pay $3000, but less is better and value is more important than name unless value/name is the same.

youre probably looking 2000 per light, assuming she uses profoto lights or something. Ive seen her use parabolic umbrellas somewhere and those go up to 5000 each. so, two front lights, two hair lights, one overhead fill, and ring flash. over 10,000 for her set up.. OR buy four of those 580ex, umbrella adapters, two reflective umbrellas in the front, two DIY gridded flashes for hair lights, and buy an a good ringflash (most diy or cheap alternatives to a ringflash suck.)

my set up is just 2 AB800s with refletive umbrellas, one EF 500 for hair lighting. I like it so far.

xfx · #89 01-17-2008, 03:57 PM

Pixelzombie: Thanks. I'll think about it.

Meditom: D&B and some sharpening technique. Thanks.
Superkoax: 7 Light setup and PP. I'll upload and post link for bigger image. Thanks.

My point of view regarding equipment: It's not very necessary to spend what greenberg really have. As long as u have a decent and lots of lights(watever brand that is), know how to use them like how to meter the the 3 lights in front and a darn good PP workflow, i think it'll be close enough to get the effect. I may be wrong but just speaking thru my experience.

zogdart · #90 01-17-2008, 08:42 PM

i second XFX

Light is Light. I have profoto, speedotron and photogenic. I started out with photogenic back then, i found them second hand on ebay. I can put any soft-box or umbrellas i want on them. what you need to check is what kind of accesory you can hoock up to them. i just did a test with 4 different umbrellas. from profoto $$$$$ to aurora -$ and there is not a huge differece between them. the hardest to find is the ring flash beacause there is not that many compagny who makes them. if you what one there usaly made to go on a power pack. you could by a profoto or other brand and go to specialize shop and have the end cord change to fit on a speedo or other brand. but again you would need a power pack. the thing with self contain flash is when there high (like a hair light) you need to climb on a lader every time you make an adjustment + it's harder to find beauty dish or some accesories depending on the brand + the recycling is usaly much slower. I would recomand on finding second hand power pack with strobes. but to acheive what jill is doing you don't need 30 000$ worth of equipement. You could rent a ring flash for a day! and have 5 cheap mono blocks to do the same. 2 grids + 3 silver umbrelas.