make a senior face

[saby]

I'm looking for some tutorial about how to make a human face older, there is a thread title is about Dave Hill looking or kind of, actually I can't find it so help me please, I've urgent job to make a wedding present for my friend

saby

[DJSoulglo]

Try this tutorial, it's a nice one:

http://www.worth1000.com/tutorial.asp?sid=161116

[saby]

thanx a lot DJ

[T Paul]

Here is a link to the Dave Hill thread:

The demystification of dave hill! let's all help!

[superkoax]

Originally Posted by DJSoulglo

Try this tutorial, it's a nice one:

http://www.worth1000.com/tutorial.asp?sid=161116

hehe,,,just the one I was thinking of too, but didn't know where I saw it last....thanks, dj! Nice evening read for me

[stosh7]

This technique relies too heavily on artistic drawing ability. The satisfaction of retouching to me, is to capture artistic ideas without hving drawing or painting talent ... of wich I admittedly have none.

I wonder it there is a way too get as good a result without overly using the brush or smear tool.

Any suggestions?

Stosh

[edgework]

Originally Posted by stosh7

This technique relies too heavily on artistic drawing ability. The satisfaction of retouching to me, is to capture artistic ideas without hving drawing or painting talent ... of wich I admittedly have none.

I wonder it there is a way too get as good a result without overly using the brush or smear tool.

Any suggestions?

Stosh

Judicious skin grafts.

You may remember this shot from a few threads back. After drooping the lines of her face a bit, I simply cut and pasted skin from another shot at the same angle. 12 different "grafts", plus some healing to smooth over any inconvenient seams, and a blurred blue plate from the original layered in at 50% Hard Light to help with the original shape.

http://edgework.tripod.com/samples/aging.jpg

[stosh7]

Perfect ... spend time on the homework and the result is right on!

More of what I had expected ... thanks!

Stosh

[superkoax]

EDGE: NICE!!! Job well done, but there is something with the eyes and her hair...

[edgework]

Originally Posted by superkoax

EDGE: NICE!!! Job well done, but there is something with the eyes and her hair...

They're still young. Eyes need a bit of yellowing and more veins and the hair needs to be grey. It was a demo, after all, not a job.

[briarrose]

Re: Edge's fantastic aging work

As stated, it's a demo, not a final result, so my comments are not directed specifically at that result--but rather towards people who might want to use that demo as a "template" of sorts for their own work) that in addition to the already mentioned eye work that needs to be added (yellowing and veins), one of the things that happens to eyes as you age, is that the brow area (the bit a woman would put the "highlighting" shade on, if applying eyeshadow) begins to sag, and droop down over the eyelid (which is why women want eyelifts! ) I'm a young looking 40, and I can already see how my very large eyes are beginning to "shrink" because this skin is beginning to sag down a bit. My mother, with similar eyes, is in her late 50's, and I can see her eyes "shrinking" even more.

SO--if doing eyework, don't forget to "shrink" the eye area, by pulling the brow area down over the upper lid--in much the same way that Edge created jowls on the model (beautiful jowls, btw! ).

Also--remember that noses and ears continute to grow throughout your life--at least, the cartilgate does--so in aging someone a great deal, a bit of verisimilitude can be added by at least drooping the tip of the nose a bit.

Finally, don't forget the lips! As a photographer, when working with models, I usually do their hair and makeup--and a woman in her early 30's can look just like a woman in her early 20's to me--right up until I pull out the lip brush, and start in on her lips. The lips of a younger woman will have fewer fine lines in them--they'll be plumper, and firmer--whereas by the early 30's, they've lost a little elasticity, and developed very, very fine lines (almost imperceptible, unless you're examining them as closely as a makeup artist). They also "catch" at the brush more, as you paint on color, because they're no longer so firm as they once were. So when lip gloss is used--this means much more retouching is required, afterwards--because suddenly every one of those tiny lines becomes apparent! (And by 40--well, my lips still look very plump and firm and line free from a normal viewing distance--again, I look young for my age--and, as a redhead, have stayed out of the sun all my life--but get up close--and there are many more fine lines visible--and my lips have considerably less firmness under a lipbrush than a 30-year old.)

Keeping in mind the easily overlooked details like that, will help an aging retouch look more realistic!

[MatthewMarshall]

funny we are talking about how to add wrinkles and not take them away.