How to get the Jill Greenberg effect

[Calvinhollywood]

Amy Dresser was doing the retouching.
Now other people do the retouching for jill greenberg.
I met one some months ago in New York.
Very friendly guy
http://www.wchoop.com/

lg Calvin

[TimeActor]

Aha, i thought there where another retouchers who works for Jill.

[Calvinhollywood]

My bad
I mean NOW other people do the retouching....not "NOT other people"
I fixed my mistake,sorry

I think she have more then one retouchers

lg calvin

[longside1]

Hey Calvin, with the quality of your work I'm surprised sh hasn't given you a job!!

To digress slightly, do you think Dave Hill does his own retouching?

[Calvinhollywood]

Hi
I am not a retoucher for other people.
This is a Jill Greenberg Post.
Lets try to stay there
(Answer: No)

lg Calvin

[longside1]

Originally Posted by Calvinhollywood

Hi
I am not a retoucher for other people.
This is a Jill Greenberg Post.
Lets try to stay there
(Answer: No)

lg Calvin

I was only kidding and my comment was a compliment! Anyway, I'm sure on one of your webinars you said that the SWAT image was taken by someone else?

Doesn't matter :-)

[Calvinhollywood]

Thats right, i have a few images where are taken from other photographers/friends.
But most of them are not payed and teamwork

lg calvin

[TimeActor]

Hey Guys,
everything ok?
New Picture with little workflow change online:

http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/my...splay/20159793

[dvbear]

I understand that using professional equipment is definitley a requirement for producing these remarkable pictures, but for the people who are doing this as a hobby, is there anyway for us to mimic a similar style?
I have:

- The amazing Canon XSi
- a couple cheap strobes that can sometimes do surprisingly amazing lighting
- a couple lens, but my fav is the 85mm and 50mm

Does anyone see any Jill Greenberg potential in there?

[TimeActor]

Hi dvbear,
yes i see potential with your hardware!
But a Middleformat Camera has much more dynamic as an normal dslr.
Go on first with your lightsetup to make a shot like Jill´s pics and then with much time to learning to paint the effect with your wacom (or anything else) board. I prefer a wacom!
The most of all is the correct lightsetting and many practice with dodge & burn.

regards
Martin

[erikhatt]

The quality and quatity of light is essential. Then the quality of the optics in the Mamiya/Hasselblad is important. And the latent large dynamic range in Portra 160NC. Then the enourmous quality you can drag out from the film with a drum scanner. A scanner witch is having photo multiplier tubes and not a CCD.

Film render the image in another way than in a sensor. The colours is dyes not a generated colour trough a filter. There are many aspects in getting the type of picture thats is wanted from the photographers side.

Many big shot photographer tell public that they use DSLR and digibacks for their pictures. I know many who are payed big money from their sponsors to do so.

Let me get this clear, im not the only one who still use a 4x5" view camera og a MF camera. If that was the reality, Kodak wouldnt released Kodak Ektar 100 in 4x5" and 8x10" a few days ago.

Film is still king and a very high quality medium of collecting light. Its even faster to work with. But use what you have of gear and learn to master it. Photo gear is just a tool. Thats why i use several kind of gear, just to reach my pre-visualized pictures.

By the way, i used in fact Ektar 100 for a magazine coverpicture this week.

[TimeActor]

Your attached picture is looking great Erik!
I like it!

[longside1]

"But use what you have of gear and learn to master it. Photo gear is just a tool."

Totally agree with Erik on this, learn to master the gear you have. Like i have always said, expensive gear does not equal goood photography.

Time Actor, just check out some of the behind the scene videos over on Dave Hill's site, when he's not using a hassleblad he's using a Canon DSLR!

Erik, love those last shots, very cool :-O)

[erikhatt]

The last shot is much more "My style" But i shoot the styles my clients pay for. And i retouch greenbergpictures when they are ordered. My personal taste in photo doesnt matter when it comes to commercial. But on my personal projects, my picture never ends up on a hard disc. The end up on brattyha paper and are retouched with pencils, masks, bleach, toner, multilayer negatives. Positive masks, dodgemasks, burnmasks, higlightmaskas etc. Its in the darkroom i really feel i make photography. Not on the computer. There i feel more like a illustrator

[TimeActor]

Great Style Erik - superb!
@longside1
yes i saw the "behind" videos all 1 year before. I ´ve saw no HASSI or anything only Canon Cams. But i think he use mf cameras too. i mean i´ve heard about this. is this a secret of dave hill? ;-)

In later future i´ll test some mf cameras like phaseone (mamyia). I like highcontrast pictures very well und with very fast flash sync of 1:800sec. i could use my Elinchrom Ranger RX Speed AS with "a" head and the lower power of my elinchrom quadra Q with 2 x "A" heads to shoot against sun.

regards
Martin

[longside1]

Hi guys, similar post processing as the Greenberg effect but my own take:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4053/...c6eaae8b_b.jpg

[TimeActor]

very very good longside!
i´m missing colors but i´ve seen that jill has taken some shots for commercional using like prints for concerts.

[longside1]

Originally Posted by TimeActor

very very good longside!
i´m missing colors but i´ve seen that jill has taken some shots for commercional using like prints for concerts.

Thanks timeactor, i'm glad you like the shot. like i said, my iintention wasn't to create a JG photo, the above shot is from my personal collection. I'm sure though that some of the techniques i used will be similar to those used by JG's retouchers.

Regards,

[TimeActor]

Yes shure!
In your picture i like the softness and sharpness in combination!
Good Style!
Regards

[Overdoze]

Hdang! Finally ive found people who can appreciate well lit and made photos before totally "made" pictures. All the respect for TimeActor! Really like your pictures, not only JG look a likes. Ive been studying more photography and lighting techniques last couple of years and now its time to move on and try to master LR and PS. Would love to hear about your workflow for JG pics, but like you said for another dude.. Gotta earn some "rep" ;D

[Mike Needham]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryaDUjZ0Zj8 This may prove interesting to anyone, still actually interested in Greenberg's methods of working.

[mediaspin360]

Amazing....I want to make myself go through the Photoshop for Pros DVD...Jill G is definitely an artist.

[digitalminds]

my try, what do you think?

http://digitalminds.deviantart.com/#/d363vkt
http://digitalminds.deviantart.com/#/d363vob

greetz

[TimeActor]

It looks good but not so close to Jills Style.
But youre on the way...a bit more working on d&B and Skin Retouching.
Cheers
Martin