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Old 05-23-2008, 04:25 AM
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Removing variation in skin, is this the best way?

What technique do you prefer to even-out variations in skin tones? Every skin has some mild variation in color and lightness across the face or other body part.

After I’m done dodging and burning on a curves layer, mostly at 200-400% to remove skin blemishes, I make a final step with the Degrunge method. I don’t use it to blur the skin, but I use much higher settings and only target the variation in skin tones.

On a 10mp facial shot for example, I can use Gaussian blur of 8 and high-pass of 24. This keeps the skin detail intact.

After this step, I sometimes use some dodging and burning to bring some highlights and shadows back.

Are there better methods?
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Old 05-23-2008, 04:27 AM
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Re: Removing variation in skin, is this the best w

If you're D&B-ing already, why not just zoom out a little and D&B with a larger brush?

Or what I like to do is just draw around the uneven area's with the lasso tool, give a good bit of feathering and use a curves layer.
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Old 05-23-2008, 05:20 AM
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Re: Removing variation in skin, is this the best w

Its not good to Degrunge if you want professional results.
You could use the curve method with a layer mask to paint into.

With the curve take a sample of the good skin and bad skin from each channel then insert these values into the input & output.
Once this is done carefully paint into the layer mask.
This should even-out the skin
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Old 05-23-2008, 06:20 AM
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Re: Removing variation in skin, is this the best w

I'm talking about subtle variation. I will post an example when I'm back home.

Why is degrunge method not good. I understand is't not a good method to smoothen the skin, but with a high GB and HP, I only target the differences in skin tone and lightness, without touching the details ....

... or am I missing something?
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Old 05-23-2008, 06:33 AM
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Re: Removing variation in skin, is this the best w

Any degrunge is destructive to pixels to some degree.
But maybe you find this method works ok for you.
It depends on the size and quality of the file, on some med to low res
images you can probably get away with this it but you might not on a 40-80mb file.

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Old 05-23-2008, 06:52 AM
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Re: Removing variation in skin, is this the best w

Maydays method is the right one Hendrik. Best way to do subtle things is using pressure sensitivity on your wacom, although not all people do it this way. Take your curves, further than they need to go and then lightly brush in the tones.
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Old 05-23-2008, 01:40 PM
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Re: Removing variation in skin, is this the best w

Thank you for the responses, better techniques are always very welcome.

I have attached an example with and without the degrunge, please have a look. (GB 8 HP 24)

The curves method is a better method as you said, please can you give a little more details about this technique?

sample: http://www.xs4all.nl/~honey/fotograf...s/degrunge.jpg
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Old 05-23-2008, 01:45 PM
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Re: Removing variation in skin, is this the best w

Maydays method is the right one Hendrik. Best way to do subtle things is using pressure sensitivity on your wacom, although not all people do it this way. Take your curves, further than they need to go and then lightly brush in the tones. Markzebra


Yes a curve works better that maintains the pore detail

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Old 05-23-2008, 01:55 PM
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Re: Removing variation in skin, is this the best w

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Yes the curve looks better maintains the pore detail
Is this a comment on my sample? Both images are the same, only the one with degrunge has this extra. I didn't use any curves yet.

I haven't tried curves yet, because I'm not sure how I should use it with these subtle skin variations. How do you use curves?

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It depends on the size and quality of the file, on some med to low res
images you can probably get away with this it but you might not on a 40-80mb file.
Why not, can I not simply use a much higher value for GB and HP?

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Old 05-23-2008, 03:37 PM
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Re: Removing variation in skin, is this the best w

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Any degrunge is destructive to pixels to some degree.
But maybe you find this method works ok for you.
It depends on the size and quality of the file, on some med to low res
images you can probably get away with this it but you might not on a 40-80mb file.
Hi Mayday

Very Very interesting in that technique. If you can explain it a little bit more? Or Maybe you, MarKzebra?

Thanks in advance
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