High End Retouching = not....

[Bianca Carosio]

High End Retouching (beauty/fashion)= not using any blur methods


Just don't do it! Natural skin texture is so great so don't ruin it!!

[pixeltek]

okay.......did you learn something new today? 'cause this isn't breaking news...just sayin'

[Bianca Carosio]

Obviously not if you look at my work. Mentioned it because there is still many on here (and everywhere) that believe that is the route to go...and are shown these different methods from online tuts. that involve blurring, so should maybe re-think what tuts. to follow.

[pixeltek]

okay...but for the record, if you were to actually read a good deal of the threads/posts here, blurring is not encouraged so your revelation is not a new one...just saying'

you come across like you discovered something new...lol

...and i did look at your work and while you have some non-blurred work, you also have a great deal of what appears to be blurred work...it all depends on what the client wants.

[edgework]

Originally Posted by Bianca Carosio

High End Retouching (beauty/fashion)= not using any blur methods

I'll alert the press.

[Bianca Carosio]

nothing new again and it's a shame you're seeing blurry since I've never blurred any of that work. (GIF animations decrease image quality, btw.)

[Live the Lie]

I think someone should have told this guy. I found it earlier this week and had a pretty good laugh.

http://pixeltopixel.com/PhotoMakeove...rous_look.html

[Bianca Carosio]

WOW see what I mean...lol

[Live the Lie]

I have one that i recently got through with, I could have done way more, but it wouldn't have been worth the extra time. I will try to post a new thread to show everyone what not to do when photographing people, and also that getting it right in camera is important for the work on the back end.

[Bianca Carosio]

Yes that's true...but great photographer and great retoucher can make an amazing image either way right?

[Live the Lie]

I think that the point is that you need both. Having only one half of the mixture is only a half rate job most days. Even worse when blur and bad photography get in the mix. Unfortunately sometimes the good photographers/ retouchers have bad days. And then sometimes there has to be compensation on one persons end.

[grannysdc]

Originally Posted by Bianca Carosio

High End Retouching (beauty/fashion)= not using any blur methods

Just don't do it! Natural skin texture is so great so don't ruin it!!

there is still many on here (and everywhere) that believe that is the route to go...and are shown these different methods from online tuts. that involve blurring, so should maybe re-think what tuts. to follow.

I don't suck up to people like many... this is a helping forum.. if you have help for all those blurry people then present it!

The PROPER tutorial to follow is where?

Your tutorial on how to do it correctly is where?

I think the answer to both of these questions = You should make a tutorial and post it!

I would be interested..

[Live the Lie]

I agree, but with most things it comes down to how time, experience, and research. With a bit of hard work to boot. This website has made my retouching grow by leaps and bounds in a short time. There is still much to learn. But there has to be a willingness to learn and motivation to try. For without those qualities it falls on deaf ears. In addition, most of those proper tutorials can be found in the tutorial section of this website. There becomes the revelation for many, "there is no quick-fix, just time and attention". I posted a new thread that deals with that. "A whole lot of time and trouble", it can be found in the photo retouching forum. Maybe not too educational, but deals with an image that sometimes you wish you had a quick-fix for.

[Bianca Carosio]

yeaaa, you're not the first to mention but I'm still debating whether to do so or not (probably not)

[crazyfly1]

Originally Posted by Bianca Carosio

Obviously not if you look at my work. Mentioned it because there is still many on here (and everywhere) that believe that is the route to go...and are shown these different methods from online tuts. that involve blurring, so should maybe re-think what tuts. to follow.

We are all waiting for the links to these "good" tuts you mention here.

[mayday]

You have to have aesthetics to be a good retoucher there's more to it than just dodge & burn

[Bianca Carosio]

Originally Posted by crazyfly1

We are all waiting for the links to these "good" tuts you mention here.

Sorry haven't seen good enough ones!!

[crazyfly1]

It's interesting to me that without excetion (that I am aware of) EVERY trainer of note trains some sort of variation on the blured skin theme. Dave cross, Deke, Katrin, Chris Orwig, Dwayne Ferguson, Julieanne Kost, Jack Davis, Matt Kloskowski, I could go on.

Where are all the tutorials on this dodge and burn method?
Where are the tutorials on ANY method that is better than the different methods involving blur?
Once in a while someone claiming to be a master retoucher brings this up (not pointing fingers I've seen it more than once here recently) but they are unwilling or unable to provide a tutorial on the methods they use that are so much better.

Again not pointing fingers, just wondering what's the deal?

[Bianca Carosio]

again I do not have my own tutorial nor would I tell my ways of work but it is obvious looking at my before/after's that there is no blur on the skin. Do I know of any good tutorials out there that work like I do, no. I've seen many that show the same methods that include blurring which I don't think it's the right approach, that's all I'm saying.

[Funkimunkey]

Most people that know the correct way to retouch don't have time to construct any tutorials. Learning to retouch properly can take up a lot of your time.

A lot of people seem quite happy with the quick fix blur option because it's more immediate. If you really like the results that blurring produces and if you're happy with that look, you'll never be a pro retoucher. If you can't see the difference then you should probably take up gardening or something.

Professional results require a lot of patience and a lot of hard work and effort. A good eye and attention to detail won't go amiss either. There is no easy fix.

But your end result will set you apart from a lot of the amateurish nonsense that Bianca is referring to and the more you work at it the better and faster you'll get.

It seems like everybody that gets hold of a copy of photoshop thinks they are qualified to teach everybody else how to use it. Just put in 'head-swap' into Youtube and look at the utter nonsense that's out there, same goes for retouching tutorials.

Good tutorials are hard to find because the people that do it well... Are busy working. People that do it badly are at home making more youtube videos.
The thing is; There's a lot more people doing it badly than there are those of us that do it well.

[crazyfly1]

Funkimunkey, I agree with your second two paragraphs, I also agree that there is a bunch of junk on youtube. There are also some good tuts on there.
In regards to your first paragraph I have to say I'm glad they still have time to hang out and post on Retouchpro or this place would be boring.
The names I quoted are not amatuers, they are some of the biggest names in photoshop. I'd venture to say Deke Mcclelland has a more intimate understanding of photoshop, how it works and why then the collective here at RP. Thank goodness that some people; writers, poets, artists, photoshop pros, decide to become college professors and inspire others rather than chasing the money.
So my question still stands... where are the professional tuts on dodge and burn and why are the pro trainers not training that method.

BC, your retouches look very Imagenomic to me. For instance, the complete absence of natural variations in skin tones. Is this how you achieve your results?

[bandenk]

so.. is there any tutorial or solution? how to retouch the skin without blurring?

thank you guys

[mayday]

This tutorial been on here for a while and theres loads of threads on D&B on this site that tell you the various methods you can use.
http://retouchpro.com/tutorials/?m=show&id=272

[crazyfly1]

bandenk, if you go to the tutorial section of this forum and then search that section for dodge and burn you will find one tutorial.

Funny, beat me by seconds. bandenk just click on maydays link,

[smak]

That tutorial tells you how to set up D & B layers (which is simple to do), then offers the rest of the advice:

"All that's left is to paint, paint, paint and paint until your arm falls off or your eyes start bleeding."

[Bianca Carosio]

I saw the tutorial mayday left..and it's fair but really not much difference..although far better then blurring as an option.


Crazy Fly you said

"BC, your retouches look very Imagenomic to me. For instance, the complete absence of natural variations in skin tones. Is this how you achieve your results?"

What did you mean by my work looking imagenomic? And how is there an absence of natural variations in my work's skin tones?



FunkiMonkey- right on!

[Bianca Carosio]

and back to the question of why aren't pro retouchers showing the goods....many don't want to for obvious reasons...many don't have the time.

[mayday]

Also Cricket posted this blog that covers D&B softlight you dont get much more Hi-End than him so I think we can say thats better than fair.

http://www.retouchpro.com/forums/blo...tml#comment363

People also forget D&B can be destructive taken too far, It all depends on how good your judgement is.

[Bianca Carosio]

I found a thread that will be MOST helpful to you all (compared to the regular tuts.)


http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=286223

[studionewmarket]

Originally Posted by Bianca Carosio

again I do not have my own tutorial nor would I tell my ways of work

I am sorry I don't get that, you post on the forum where sharing info is the goal, you tell poeple in bold what not to do, then you announce you wouldn't share any of your knowledge ..... what's the point?