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Old 09-21-2008, 01:27 AM
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Newbie OK what do you do for resting...

Let me explain, right now I was making a 100% crop before and after composition to show on another thread. Immediately I started seeing lots of spots in the skin needing healing I mean these where really obvious spots that I should not have missed.
Most of the time when I'm retouching a photo specially if its problematic either with red patches on the legs or allot of work because its a portrait, I become intoxicated with it an literally can't stand it anymore, I try to have some breaks 5 to 10 mins when retouching but it comes a time that I don't want to see it anymore.

Now as I have mentioned, after maybe a week I look at some photos again and I notice stuff that I should of have taken care of quite easily.

So my question is: Any tips as to refresh your vision, and energies? Most of the stuff I've been doing is on a trade basis and I use it to practice my photography and retouching skills so there's no pressure. But I'm thinking what happens when you have a paying client and have a deadline.

OK enough chat hehe here's the link for the photo
http://www.flickr.com/photos/22489978@N04/2874856256/
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Old 09-21-2008, 02:15 AM
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Re: OK what do you do for resting...

I simply had to reply to this. I SO understand that 'not wanting to see it anymore'.

5 to 10 minutes of 'rest' is not enough for me. I have to put it to bed for the night. Sometimes a couple of days. I have to be careful because I am too prone to just say 'okay, it's done! I just don't ever want to see it again!'. So I go slow.

I also have casual (non-photoshop) friends look at it. They will often spot something that I've since become used to seeing.

Your photo looks great - features softened, light improved, but not looking like someone totally different. If I would make any suggestion, it would just be to take the spot out of the right eye (viewer's left) and maybe whiten the whites of the eyes and sharpen the pupils...

Good luck! And any tips for 'how to rest' would be appreciated here, too.

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Old 09-21-2008, 03:19 AM
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Re: OK what do you do for resting...

Yeah I'm thinking the pauses have to be longer, but it gets me nervous when thinking about it in money terms when you have a deadline and such.

As to the photo there was no goal as to making her look like someone totally different. The goal is just to retouch her skin to make it better. At the start of my retouching practice I did whiten teeth and the whites of the eyes on photos, but now unless its problematic when I see them before retouching I don't touch them anymore.
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Old 09-21-2008, 11:37 AM
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Re: OK what do you do for resting...

The pressures and symptoms are the same whether doing Photoshop or other job related tasks at a desk. I have done professional engineering, management, executive level tasks at a desk for over 20 years. I have also done extensive PS work during that time. Again, no matter what, the body just does not like to sit for that long with no physical activity.

My own solution was to always two fold.
One, while at the desk I practice proper breathing technique, drink lots of fluids, as well as play soothing music (typically classical). I found that I was simply not breathing properly... very shallow, using the rib cage not the diaphragm. The changes were quite dramatic.
Two, I structured my days to always include physical exercise either in the a.m. (which I am not a morning person) or the p.m., usually being later afternoon before dinner. It is a great stress reliever and revives you to work those additional hours after dinner.

Of course, it is all subjective and depends on your personal interests. You could swap exercise for Yoga, shopping or something else. But, it all is important for your well-being.

Oh, and don't forget to exercise your eyes ! Looking at a monitor all day is very bad on the eye muscles and leads to problems down the road. To see if your eye muscles are straining, look in all directions as far as you can with just your eyes. If you feel the muscle resist and a little pain, that is a good indication they are not in good health. Repeat the same following a pattern for about 1 minute 3 or 4 times a day.

Best of luck ! Very interesting post.
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Old 09-22-2008, 12:34 AM
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Re: OK what do you do for resting...

Amen on the eyes ... a chiropractor friend of mine says to follow the 20-20 rule. Every 20 minutes look at something at a distance for 20 seconds ...
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Old 09-24-2008, 05:19 PM
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Re: OK what do you do for resting...

Well, to be quite honest, I know the feeling. Lucky for all of us, when we are retouching, we are doing so on a computer, so what I do is minimize Photoshop, hop onto the internet go to www.youporn.com and maybe snap one out, that usually rejuvinates me.
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Old 09-24-2008, 06:35 PM
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Re: OK what do you do for resting...

I posted something similar to this a while back. I actually would get headaches and feel sick from retouching and did not want to see a computer screen for a couple of days.
I wonder what it would be like when you have to get the work done on time.
Thank gosh I am a photographer and do retouching b/c I like to. I would hate to feel like I had to get the retouch done and on a daily basis.
I know here where I live there are retouchers that do all kinds of composting and wicked retouching, not just skin, and they have the clients always on their asses b/c they want the campaign on the streets ASAP. they are on the computer for sure sometimes 24/7, and I feel for them. I am an advanced photoshopper and do dab with compositng, but not like they do and can do it such short notice.
I have shot girls in my studio on grey backgrounds and the retocuher has put them in a under water seen with bubbles,fish etc.... all pasted in from scracth and the campaign on billboards the next day. Truly amazing.
Snook

Cuervo I will say that looking at your picture the left eye from our view, you washed out the border of the eye too much. So it looks a little strange. maybe you could bring back that detail. looks like you may have burned it too much.
Ofcourse the photographer lighting it did not help by having the light to close and too much to the side as the highlight is not "good" in my opnion.
Just my opinion but I would try to bring back some detail in her eye on the far side.
Snook
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Old 09-24-2008, 07:36 PM
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Re: OK what do you do for resting...

hi,
well I am no proffestional retoucher.... however I know what works for me and for a lot of other people....

1. after sitting down for ages in front of that screen..... i completely get away from it...... and i do some sort of physical exercise.... jumping, jumping jacks, running in place, limberin up themuscles,,,, anything... what this does when you been sitting for ages.... your brain oxigen levels are low!!! really..... your brain get sluggish, tunnel vission... etc...... some sort of exercise get the old blood pumping increasing the oxigen levels in the brain..... it also help those muscles which are starting to hurt or stiffening when sitting rigid for a while....... believe me it really relaxes you........ better than just a "rest"
2. now along with this...... during my break i will get my mind completely off the project!! play games, or concentrate on something else for a little bit, kick the dog/cat or kids...lol..... ..... that helps a lot when i come back to the project at hand it really give me a fresh look at the project at hand..
3. frequent breaks...... morning you'll higher engergy level than afternoon... also for most people... can only hold concentration for a max of 30-40 minutes some analysis ony reflects 20 minutes max concentration) .... and after that it goes down hill..... so taking break aevery 30-40 minutes over a course of the day keeps your concentration at a good evel....... and refreshed....

a little story and it true.... a few years ago there was a lot of discussion about eliminating the coffee/water cooler/smoke breaks... this one large company implemented that , in there various large offices figuring they would get a extra hour of productivity....!! well what happened was productivity actually went down.... the company spent several thousand dollars and brought in efficency experts to find out what was wrong..... the experts recommenddation to get productivity back up was put those coffee/water cooler/smoke brecks back in...!! smile.. the finding was that the mind was too tired and couln't conctrate and mistakes increase ,,,,, l and workers has to slow down to compensate for the tired minds...! breaks are important

sorry for being long winded but those are my thoughts





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Let me explain, right now I was making a 100% crop before and after composition to show on another thread. Immediately I started seeing lots of spots in the skin needing healing I mean these where really obvious spots that I should not have missed.
Most of the time when I'm retouching a photo specially if its problematic either with red patches on the legs or allot of work because its a portrait, I become intoxicated with it an literally can't stand it anymore, I try to have some breaks 5 to 10 mins when retouching but it comes a time that I don't want to see it anymore.

Now as I have mentioned, after maybe a week I look at some photos again and I notice stuff that I should of have taken care of quite easily.

So my question is: Any tips as to refresh your vision, and energies? Most of the stuff I've been doing is on a trade basis and I use it to practice my photography and retouching skills so there's no pressure. But I'm thinking what happens when you have a paying client and have a deadline.

OK enough chat hehe here's the link for the photo
http://www.flickr.com/photos/22489978@N04/2874856256/
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Old 10-01-2008, 12:13 PM
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Re: OK what do you do for resting...

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Cuervo I will say that looking at your picture the left eye from our view, you washed out the border of the eye too much. So it looks a little strange. maybe you could bring back that detail. looks like you may have burned it too much.
Ofcourse the photographer lighting it did not help by having the light to close and too much to the side as the highlight is not "good" in my opnion.
Just my opinion but I would try to bring back some detail in her eye on the far side.
Snook
Thanks for your imput Snook, but I don't get the left eye comment? did you see the complete photo or just the before and after one?
Its always good to hear another perspective of my photos so thanx.
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Old 10-01-2008, 12:43 PM
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Re: OK what do you do for resting...

Put a harsh s curve over the whole image to bring out details and retouch under that. Keep it zoomed out, you never need to go in more than 100% so keep it out how people will see it, just flick in and out. Also work in a dark room.
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