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Muddy desat look? Annie Leibowitz, Joey L.

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Old 11-01-2008, 02:00 AM
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Muddy desat look? Annie Leibowitz, Joey L.

I know alot will reply that these types of looks and PPing is just a dragan, dave hill, joey l, etc style which is been done to death and is very "played out".

But I am still very interested how to achieve this look. I am talking about the micro-contrasts, muddy, dark desaturated effects more than anything and if there are unique/different methods of achieving these types of color and tones. (I already know theres significant B&Ding involved, so please save it)

Imho, each of them look pretty diff from each other. Dave hill technique is over sharpened, over contrasted, halos, unnatural, ugliest imo. Dragan just has a weird look to it with odd colors, temperatures, haze, halos, etc. Joey L is more subtle than the aforesaid more pleasing and realistic while still being contrasty and muddy. Annie Leibowitz imo is very similar to joey l PPing and maybe a bit more subtle & realistic at times (which is what im looking for).

(I already know joey l's multiply trick from his dvd. ie: 2 dupe layers, 1 multiply and desaturated, the 2nd normal and desat, then mask the multiply layer and erase areas where you want brighter/dodge, adj opacity, etc.)

Im looking for similar/better tricks and tips on achieving this desaturated, muddyness, microcontrast boosts, rich tone boosts similar to some of annie leibowitz's pics like the ones below (maybe unique blending mode combinations, diff colorspaces, etc.):



http://www.thestyleeditor.com/wp-con...d-campaign.jpg

http://www.contactpressimages.com/po...eib_port4l.jpg

http://www.shootingbynumbers.com/wp-...liebowitz1.jpg

http://cache.foxsaver.com/thumbnails.../65825846l.jpg

http://splendorific.files.wordpress....air_funny1.jpg

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Old 11-01-2008, 10:21 AM
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Re: Muddy desat look? Annie Leibowitz, Joey L.

these things are relatively easy to achieve technically, but need some taste to do properly. A lot of whats going on with colour in those are that things are being unified, the Keith Richards shot as an example, all the greens and yellow taken into the same area, taking variation out. Its nothing crude like overall desaturation, play with it and let your taste determine where it goes. Thats just the colour side, there's a lot of quite nicely applied dodge and burn in there. Dont like the word muddy - of you are thinking of it like that then you should be working differently
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Old 11-01-2008, 10:31 AM
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Re: Muddy desat look? Annie Leibowitz, Joey L.

I liked Liebowitz's images of Queen Elizabeth, but a lot of her work, especially celebrity work and the composites, are ho-hum IMO. I don't get it. That said, she is probably making $10 million more a year than I am :-)
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Old 11-01-2008, 10:34 AM
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Re: Muddy desat look? Annie Leibowitz, Joey L.

ha - depends whether its working or not, on who she's got doing her post I imagine.
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Re: Muddy desat look? Annie Leibowitz, Joey L.

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these things are relatively easy to achieve technically
Ok, easy, so no tips on an "overall" layer or mask?

I gave the joey l tip..

And I already know the dragan one (b&w convert, invert, gaussian at hi pixel like 20-40, set blend mode to ovly/soft/hard. do some d&bing here n there). I didnt really like the effect on this one.

I know how to achieve the dave hill one, and really dont care for this look and actually hate it. Looks too HDR, icky.


..any other cool unique layer methods? But more similar to Annie's?
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Old 11-03-2008, 07:44 AM
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Re: Muddy desat look? Annie Leibowitz, Joey L.

I too really like that look in these examples, and true, the colors are brought in to similar hues, but i think what we all would really like to know is what particular methos are used to do such a thing. its like a drab muted tone, and is harmonized within a specific toanl realm , like a brown, or olive, or mustard, but the highlights dont carry the same shift, the highlights are still white and the tone still remains natural looking.

Does anyone have REAL techniques on how to do it here?
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Old 11-03-2008, 05:44 PM
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Re: Muddy desat look? Annie Leibowitz, Joey L.

The shot with Keith Richards is one of my favorite shots ever. The balance of strobe and ambient is amazing.

I'm sorry that I do not have anything to contribute however I would love to know if anyone else has any thoughts.
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Old 11-04-2008, 02:48 PM
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Re: Muddy desat look? Annie Leibowitz, Joey L.

Not to mention it is Keith Richards...:+}
Take him out insert your last weeks model or Friend and not the same image at all.

You can most of annies backstage stuff and see her lighting, which is always really soft from extra big octobanks...and feathered.
She is using the Best Post Production company around...
Nice Light, Great Subject matter, great retouchers.... Hello...:+}
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Old 11-04-2008, 03:33 PM
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Re: Muddy desat look? Annie Leibowitz, Joey L.

some guy said about the fiscus painted tones :

use a desat pic (no desat @ 100 ofc), but quite of desat. and paint slowly with colors in color mode. :|
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Old 11-04-2008, 05:38 PM
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Re: Muddy desat look? Annie Leibowitz, Joey L.

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some guy said about the fiscus painted tones :

use a desat pic (no desat @ 100 ofc), but quite of desat. and paint slowly with colors in color mode. :|
WHAT ?? Can you be a little more specific?
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