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vapour 11-20-2008 08:24 AM

What Order: Retouch - Color
What is the best order or does it matter...

Retouching: dodge / burn
Color Correcting: curves, selective color, gradient map

What is the best order for the best results? Do retouching first then color, or color correcting then retouch?

HuBBa 11-20-2008 10:07 AM

Re: What Order: Retouch - Color
Well im no pro but ive always been taught to do retouching first, then color. Especially since color might more often when the client wants something changed than a retouch will.

So my basic workflow is:

developing (ie. get the exposure/skintones right for the subsequent retouch)
skin-retouching (DB, Cloning, Reshaping, whatever is needed :)
contrast & color (order here depends on what should be done when etc).

Sometimes though you will in the color & contrast part note that retouch issues that wasnt obvious before become very apparent so you may have to go back and fix that before continuing with the color work.

This is my workflow and allthough im sure others will have different flow, this have worked for me.

TommyO 11-20-2008 05:11 PM

Re: What Order: Retouch - Color
In my experience, much depends on the quality of the image. In forums like this, many people will grab a not-so-good image and retouch it. In that instance, color correction is a vital first step to ensure the d&b and other tools work correctly with adjacent pixels. Additional minor changes to color can always be made later to satisfy your own artistic touches, or whatever.

On the other hand, if you are a photographer (or work with one) and have high quality images to start with, color correction often is not necessary. Slight tweaks to exposure, etc, maybe. In that case, hold any additional color modifications to the end... as HuBBa said, depending on what the client and you discuss.

DJSoulglo 11-21-2008 03:13 AM

Re: What Order: Retouch - Color
I usually go with global color correction first, then retouching, then small (local) color correction.

Just because that if you start retouching and you shift the color of the image, you might've just spent an hour retouching something that has now faded into the shadows...

However there really is no "right way" whatever works for you is usually the right way around.

ray12 11-21-2008 06:01 PM

Re: What Order: Retouch - Color
If you are going to spend 2-3 hours doing a dodge and burn...then I would get all the levels balanced and the colors corrected first...nearest I could...just in case these changes also changed your burning work in some manner afterward. I would hate to disturb those small hard won pixels... and loose that time.

After I balanced first, then retouched...then everything would be in place to come in a snapshot... and then do a second color balancing on that unified base image.

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