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Old 12-16-2008, 10:13 PM
Zeckson Zeckson is offline
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Different Retouching Techniques

Hello all, I would like to obtain opinions on this photo that I retouched. I would like to learn more on different techniques and methods that other members in this forum may have.

I shot this photo last Sunday. The idea is to bend towards a commercial feel. I have attached the original and my edited version in this thread.

I encourage experts to download the original and do your own retouching. While doing so, kindly reveal your workflow so that I can learn or pick up something from your technique.

To qualify myself on my statement above, I am revealing my workflow for those who wanna learn:
  1. Duplicate layer (This is your working layer)
  2. Duplicate layer again
  3. Blending Mode: Screen
  4. Merge layer down (You now have 2 layers - Background + Background copy)
  5. Apply Image > Red Channel > Soft Light
  6. Shadows/Highlight
  7. Apply Image > Red Channel > Multiply
  8. Levels (Adjust midtones)
  9. Apply Image > Red Channel > Multiply
  10. Shadows/Highlight
  11. Levels (Adjust midtones again)
  12. Dodge (On selective skin areas)
  13. Burn (All other areas needed)
  14. Hue/Saturation (Desaturate a little)
  15. Unsharp Mask

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If you are not willing to reveal your workflow to the detail as I did, please don't bother to reply this thread. I am only interested in communicating with sincere people that wanna share, learn and exchange ideas.

Please stick to the objectives of this thread. Reveal, share and discuss on technique.

Sorry if I sounded arrogant but after reading that super duper long thread on the demystification of Dave Hill, I don't wanna people try and found some great techniques and walked off without sharing in details.
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Old 12-16-2008, 11:29 PM
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Re: Different Retouching Techniques

If you are going to shoot with a Nikon D80 then at least give us a 10Meg photo to work on for a reasonable comparison... this sample you are wanting a work-flow on is mighty tiny!
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Old 12-16-2008, 11:43 PM
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Re: Different Retouching Techniques

Apologize for this. I have uploaded the file up here. Sorry, I did not shoot the file at 10 MP. Just used 2.5 MP only.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35...n/ee1b9b57.jpg
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Old 12-17-2008, 12:20 AM
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Thanks for the generous information.
I tried it out today, LOVE it!
Gina
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Old 12-17-2008, 12:48 AM
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Re: Different Retouching Techniques

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Thanks for the generous information.
I tried it out today, LOVE it!
Gina
Good luck and post your result here in my thread. Don't forget to put down your detailed workflow.
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Old 12-17-2008, 01:13 AM
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Re: Different Retouching Techniques

You made me laugh OlBaldy.

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this sample you are wanting a work-flow on is mighty tiny!
Duplicate layer (This is your working layer)
Clean the image: Heal
Sharpen of your choice
Duplicate layer again
Blending Mode: Screen
Merge layer down (You now have 2 layers - Background + Background copy)
Apply Image > Green Channel > Pin Light
Apply Image > Blue Channel > Lighten
Levels (Adjust midtones)
Apply Image > Green Channel > Overlay > Invert
Edit > Fade > 50%
Add Vignette

I don’t have time right now but I’ll try something different later. This was just something quick to revive some of her color. This would be a good starting point, I think, for further editing. Beautiful girl.

-Keven
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Old 12-17-2008, 04:43 AM
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Re: Different Retouching Techniques

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The idea is to bend towards a commercial feel. I have attached the original and my edited version in this thread.
I encourage experts to download the original and do your own retouching.
Zeckson, If you were going for High Key.. you got there! Your retouch is a little bright for my taste but if that was what you were aiming for then you did good.. it is sort of hard to judge such a small picture though.

OOPS!! I just re-read your rules and instructions and I guess I am disqualified ... I am far from an expert.. just a Old hobbyist having a little fun, so don't take anything I say or do to serious!

I am working with PS7(no highlight/shadow filter).. So I use Photomatic and make a HDR and tone-map to take the filters place)
Ctrl+J (copy background)
clone N heal (Primarily the background, got rid of distracting items... She looks pretty good.. (in more ways than one!)
Brightened Iris
deleted a couple catch lights
darkened Pupil
New layer, painted lips black, mode Softlight, 50%opacity
Shft+Ctrl+Alt+N+E (New layer copy N paste everything showing)
Ctrl+J
High pass filter 9.5 blend mode hard light 89%
saved as Jpeg..
Opened Photomatix made a HDR and tonemapped the saved Jpeg
Back into PS7 drag tone-map onto working picture
Blend mode hard light 70% opacity
Shft+Ctrl+Alt+N+E
Ctrl+J
Imagenomic Noise reduction.. masked back in hair, lips eyes
new layer filled 50% gray filter add noise 2.5% (even), hard light 45% opacity.. Hide all mask put noise where I needed it
Shft+Ctrl+Alt+N+E
Used large history brush set @multiple and 45% to darken all 4 corners
Saved for Web

Ran a Dragan action on a copy but it looked pretty bad so I trashed it!

Dun Playing
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Old 12-17-2008, 06:56 AM
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Re: Different Retouching Techniques

I am a complete novice to retouching. On the website www.popphoto.com. There is a tab, "HOW TO". Click on the "How To" tab. Under the heading, "Image Editing", there will be an article, "Digital Toolbox: How to Edit Portraits", by Debbie Grossman. Take a look, it does not take advantage of the dodge & burn features, it walks you through some applications using curves. The author, Debbie Grossman, does acknowledge that this is more of a skin smoothing technique. What I did was to print out the fourteen step instructions. I got tired of switching between screens, and the paper allowed me to make notes in the margins. But it walked me through each and every step, to acheive the goal I wanted. The workflow is very detailed. Remember, I am someone who is a novice. Check it out, because people with a higher level of skill than I, will find this article extremely useful...

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Old 12-19-2008, 09:09 AM
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Re: Different Retouching Techniques

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Originally Posted by igot2pman View Post
You made me laugh OlBaldy.



Duplicate layer (This is your working layer)
Clean the image: Heal
Sharpen of your choice
Duplicate layer again
Blending Mode: Screen
Merge layer down (You now have 2 layers - Background + Background copy)
Apply Image > Green Channel > Pin Light
Apply Image > Blue Channel > Lighten
Levels (Adjust midtones)
Apply Image > Green Channel > Overlay > Invert
Edit > Fade > 50%
Add Vignette

I don’t have time right now but I’ll try something different later. This was just something quick to revive some of her color. This would be a good starting point, I think, for further editing. Beautiful girl.

-Keven
Nice stuff Kevin! You have some interesting workflow steps up there. Just wondering why pin light on green channel and thenlighten on blue channel... The invert also looks interesting. I will try it and see what I will get. Very nice of you to take the effort to do something here. Nice retouch too.
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Old 12-19-2008, 09:12 AM
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Re: Different Retouching Techniques

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Originally Posted by 0lBaldy View Post
Zeckson, If you were going for High Key.. you got there! Your retouch is a little bright for my taste but if that was what you were aiming for then you did good.. it is sort of hard to judge such a small picture though.

OOPS!! I just re-read your rules and instructions and I guess I am disqualified ... I am far from an expert.. just a Old hobbyist having a little fun, so don't take anything I say or do to serious!

I am working with PS7(no highlight/shadow filter).. So I use Photomatic and make a HDR and tone-map to take the filters place)
Ctrl+J (copy background)
clone N heal (Primarily the background, got rid of distracting items... She looks pretty good.. (in more ways than one!)
Brightened Iris
deleted a couple catch lights
darkened Pupil
New layer, painted lips black, mode Softlight, 50%opacity
Shft+Ctrl+Alt+N+E (New layer copy N paste everything showing)
Ctrl+J
High pass filter 9.5 blend mode hard light 89%
saved as Jpeg..
Opened Photomatix made a HDR and tonemapped the saved Jpeg
Back into PS7 drag tone-map onto working picture
Blend mode hard light 70% opacity
Shft+Ctrl+Alt+N+E
Ctrl+J
Imagenomic Noise reduction.. masked back in hair, lips eyes
new layer filled 50% gray filter add noise 2.5% (even), hard light 45% opacity.. Hide all mask put noise where I needed it
Shft+Ctrl+Alt+N+E
Used large history brush set @multiple and 45% to darken all 4 corners
Saved for Web

Ran a Dragan action on a copy but it looked pretty bad so I trashed it!

Dun Playing

Thanks 0lBaldy! Wow... Mimicking new features in CS2 using old school methods! And still be able to get splendid results! You are one old ginger! Thanks a lot for the effort!
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