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Old 02-23-2009, 09:21 PM
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Re: Professional Vs Amatuer. Which retouch you cho

Amazing!

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it's a shame that the 'odd' one or two lowlifes spoil this forum...people you do know there are other forums on the net that don't 'specialise' in retouching but have contributors there that don't need to lower themselves to insults, people there that have something constructive to say and encourage growth in knowledge whilst being highly knowledgable in retouching themselves. I advise you to find them and learn in a better envoiroment.
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I would tell you where they are but I'm afraid that the stink I've found here will follow me over. Good luck to the normal people who stay here.

Finally look out for Rokcetscientist (lol. obviously he's not) and Silvafox both idiots both need a life.

bollocks to this forum!!!!
...in one and the same post...!

Talk about an oxymoron! ROTFLMAO!
I'm not too sure what an oxy is, but I know a moron when I see one! ROTFLMAO!
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Old 02-23-2009, 09:30 PM
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What's bollocks?
It is colloquial UK slang/street language for what you might call "balls", "nuts", or "testicles". Here "bollocks to the forum" was used to mean the same as its equally gracious American counterpart "føck you" does, twopoint.
Apparently the gentleman opened a Pandora's Box when he asked his questions. He found he can't handle the answers he gets...

ROTFLMAO!
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Old 02-24-2009, 05:00 AM
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I am no pro but I prefer number1. It is more detail, without the over exsposed look of number2.
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Old 02-24-2009, 06:43 AM
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Re: Professional Vs Amatuer. Which retouch you cho

Eh? So they're different. None of them are 'wrong' really. Just depends what you want. I would say that the pro should at leats know how to make it look like either and more. As a pro you should be able to produce an array of 'effects' or 'looks' for your client. Maybe that's what they wanted. The only one that can say for sure which one is better, is the one paying the bill.
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Old 02-27-2009, 11:03 PM
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Re: Professional Vs Amatuer. Which retouch you cho

I am only 1 year onto photography and retouching.
I have learned much from the comments, especially about the posing, clothes and accessories.

IMO:
I like the 1st retouch best. Maybe the crop indicated the pro, as others have said.

The 2nd looks totally blown out. Maybe that is the look that was intended but not my style for this application.
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Old 02-28-2009, 04:09 AM
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Re: Professional Vs Amatuer. Which retouch you cho

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Eh? So they're different. None of them are 'wrong' really. Just depends what you want. I would say that the pro should at leats know how to make it look like either and more. As a pro you should be able to produce an array of 'effects' or 'looks' for your client. Maybe that's what they wanted. The only one that can say for sure which one is better, is the one paying the bill.
You know ... although I could say which version I preferred based on the technical aspects of the two pieces, I have to admit that you are right on the money. I have taken shots that I thought were awful (I think most photographers have!), but for some unknown reason, customers occasionally gravitate towards them.
For the sake of my professional reputation, I try to leave those shots out altogether to eliminate the possibility (pros, as they say, only seem as good as they do because they don't let anyone see the bad shots), but I'm always haunted by the fact that I might be holding back that one shot they may think is dynamite.
In the end, it's not about the photographer (or retoucher). It's about the client. And I think a casual glance through any magazine can testify to that, seeing that some of the images in magazines, to me, are just awful. But that is apparently what the editor wanted.

Good post. Very wise words.
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Old 02-28-2009, 07:00 AM
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Re: Professional Vs Amatuer. Which retouch you cho

I am sad to see so many negative critiques here.
1. an article or essay criticizing a literary or other work; detailed evaluation; review.
2. a criticism or critical comment on some problem, subject, etc.

In the definitions I found I didn't see 'devalue' or demean. hmm.


that being said. I found all three very beautiful. For an album cover choice there are many things to consider, music style, bands style, in other words the bands style has to be captured in the photograph. It has to say this is who we are. The photo here looks more like a family photo of three sisters, thats how it comes across to me. Or well, I just looked at it again, and thought Christian music.
I true professional photographer will look into the people he/she is working with, now can you imagine taking a photograph of Neil Young in a punk style? tongue hanging out, little silver ball in it. ~SHIVER~
I'm attaching a couple looks. again I dont know anything about the group. but did like the photo and cant help but photoshop everything I see.
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Old 02-28-2009, 08:25 AM
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Re: Professional Vs Amatuer. Which retouch you cho

With all due respect, the rules of photography exist for a reason. While they are merely "guidelines" to follow and not set in stone, following them tends to generate better quality images that attract the eye to the subject, eliminate distractions, etc. Maybe they're all "beautiful" images, but they could be better. That's the point of the criticism. If the image is devalued or demeaned by the criticism, it has devalued or demeaned itself by being substandard work. The genre has nothing to do with the technical aspects of image capture. Good is good, bad is bad. Telling someone where the faults are ... particularly when that person hasn't revealed which image is his or hers ... is one of the unfortunate casualties of asking for opinions.
It even seems to me that this person was looking to devalue and/or demean the retouch done by the original photographer by elevating his own work above it, and looking for a pat on the back to boot. Rather pretentious if you ask me. He reaped what he sowed.
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Old 02-28-2009, 08:46 AM
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With all due respect, the rules of photography exist for a reason. While they are merely "guidelines" to follow and not set in stone, following them tends to generate better quality images that attract the eye to the subject, eliminate distractions, etc. Maybe they're all "beautiful" images, but they could be better. That's the point of the criticism. If the image is devalued or demeaned by the criticism, it has devalued or demeaned itself by being substandard work. The genre has nothing to do with the technical aspects of image capture. Good is good, bad is bad. Telling someone where the faults are ... particularly when that person hasn't revealed which image is his or hers ... is one of the unfortunate casualties of asking for opinions.
It even seems to me that this person was looking to devalue and/or demean the retouch done by the original photographer by elevating his own work above it, and looking for a pat on the back to boot. Rather pretentious if you ask me. He reaped what he sowed.
Well said. Thank you for the critique of my critique. That's what its all about is vast opinions not mindless unnecessary remarks that are off the point.
I have seen many people post on various forums I belong to and they have done similar 'tests' with results that they really didn't expect to hear. It is definitely a chance one takes.
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Old 02-28-2009, 09:11 AM
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Re: Professional Vs Amatuer. Which retouch you cho

Pro or amateur, well that in many ways does not mean a thing.

There are Professional photographers who's images stink as bad as the city dump, there are amateur shooters that capture great images, and the same is true with the ability to retouch.

Both have their qualities, and to me, there would be aspects of both that should have been included into one finished image.

But what matters is what the instructions or demands of the client that were given, and did the client not want something that I feel that should have been done.

As the pro, I of course would make suggestions and most clients would follow those suggestions, but I have had some clients that have their own likes and dislikes.

Overall of the two examples shown, I would pick #2, but that is mainly because of the blond's hair, and although I don't like blown out areas, the skin is closer to the porcelain baby doll skin then example #1.
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