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Old 07-08-2009, 08:43 AM
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Losing Business

Hey guys (and gals),

I’m a first time poster here and I’m finding my way around a bit. I have a huge favor to ask of you, though.

I’m a portrait photographer that recently opened my doors in central KY. I thin my retouching skills are okay for the portrait world, at least my mentor says as much. I’m working on the D&B thing now. There is one thing that bothers me though. I get a lot of people asking if I do photos like one particular guy around here. So, like any student and professional I took a look at his stuff. It’s nothing spectacular (like mine) but it has a really cool look to it. I’m sad to say that I’ve actually lost work to him. While this is all well and good and keeps the economy rolling...well...I want that business. lol

I was wondering if someone could help me out by giving me a workflow for this, link to a tutorial, or link to a video. I’d like to learn how he does it so I can somehow meld it with my own way of doing things and then come up with something even more attractive. So, any help would be greatly appreciated!!!

If this is just a version of “The Look” as it is called here, or the Dave Hill style then say so and I’ll go my own way with my tail between my legs. lol I've posted some examples on here. I don't know how well they will look as they have to be less than 100kb...but any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for taking pity on a noob. :o)

~gmanfive0
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Photos were deleted due to issues that might arise from posting them. They were not my photos and I retained no copyright to them.

Last edited by gmanfive0; 07-08-2009 at 07:38 PM. Reason: Trying to delete.
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Old 07-08-2009, 09:27 AM
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Re: Losing Business

It's definitely not "the look" or "Dave Hill". Those styles are marked by over-baked post processing bordering on illustration. What you are showing is simply using light to isolate the subject from his environment predominantly by making the subject brighter than the foreground/background.

Use lights and/or light modifiers (bounce cards, etc) aimed at the subject when shooting. In PS use the masking/selection method of choice to select everything but your subject, then use the darkening method of choice to darken it.

Or is there something more subtle I'm missing here?
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Old 07-08-2009, 10:11 AM
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Re: Losing Business

I agree with the previous post. The images have been enhanced greatly in Photoshop or some other program. Child1.jpg has a strong dark vignette (not to take away fromt he really good photograph), some other plug-ins may have been run on this photo. As far as Tom1.jpg, the same applyies. He added a vignette pretty much as the first photo and then used some plug-ins to sharpen the image and provide more detail. Again - both photographs were probably 99% good photographs to begin with. I would suggest that you look at some plug-ins for photoshop to reproduce the same effects (yes! there are more than just one effect applied to these images) Also look in youtube and find "photoshopmama" and look for rembrant look tutorial. She has a good tutorial on how to achieve a look VERY similar to the ones in these photographs.

Hope this helped!
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Old 07-08-2009, 01:16 PM
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Very good portrait photographs,
a fair bit of visual stimulation, the photographer has a good eye and knows the props / backdrops that suit the subject, i like the enhancement of the eyes on child1 the wide aperture blurring the wheel and may be some darkening there also makes the subject pop!
Not really difficult to achieve, just requires patience.
Tom1, i think there is something going on with creative flash there if you look at the shadows, Lucis sculpture or a similar plug in will bring out the detail on his trousers, the brickwork and stone steps behind the subject and using the history brush you can fade or normalise stuff you dont want over-detailed like his face... thats how i would do it anyway... again the things that make these portraits stand out are the wheel, the steps and the expression of the child,
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Gary..
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Old 07-08-2009, 06:50 PM
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Re: Losing Business

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I get a lot of people asking if I do photos like one particular guy around here. So, like any student and professional I took a look at his stuff.

I've posted some examples on here. I don't know how well they will look as they have to be less than 100kb...but any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for taking pity on a noob. :o)

~gmanfive0
Welcome to RetouchPRO Hope you enjoy your stay here and make lots of friends. Poke around, ask questions, offer help, have fun!

I keep telling new people to the forum to please attach an under 100K version of your image to the thread (so the thread remains useful in the future, regardless of external links).
BUT, in this case I think a link to the samples would be preferred instead of the photos.... especially if they belong to another photographer...
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I see some wide angle distortion in the Tom pic with a hard and soft strobe... the child pic is just a good composition which is also close to using the thirds rule. The previous posters have pretty well covered the techniques used in the shoot and in post
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Old 07-08-2009, 07:03 PM
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Re: Losing Business

Thanks to everyone that posted. Now I feel better about finding out how to do this! I appreciate the feedback and how fast it came.
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Ol Baldy, I’m sorry. I should have explained that Tom is a very close friend of mine. We actually go to college together and he did give me permission to download and use his images. They were actually taken from Tom’s Facebook profile so links wouldn’t provide much help to people (I thought). I’ll provide links next time, though.

I should have also posted that these photos are not mine and I do not retain any copyright permissions other than what was given to me by Tom to use here. I know it’s a sticky situation when it comes to photos and intellectual property and I should have thought about this before I posted the photos. I’m truly sorry. This will not happen again.

How do I take them down/delete the thread so no further problems occur?
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Again, thank you to everyone that provided feedback!
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Old 07-08-2009, 09:41 PM
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Thanks to everyone that posted. Now I feel better about finding out how to do this! I appreciate the feedback and how fast it came.
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Ol Baldy, I’m sorry. I should have explained that Tom is a very close friend of mine. We actually go to college together and he did give me permission to download and use his images. They were actually taken from Tom’s Facebook profile so links wouldn’t provide much help to people (I thought). I’ll provide links next time, though.

I should have also posted that these photos are not mine and I do not retain any copyright permissions other than what was given to me by Tom to use here. I know it’s a sticky situation when it comes to photos and intellectual property and I should have thought about this before I posted the photos. I’m truly sorry. This will not happen again.

How do I take them down/delete the thread so no further problems occur?
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Again, thank you to everyone that provided feedback!
No problems.. and thanks for your understanding.. Although, If you had permission then that's a completely different story and would probably be OK to post the pictures...

Seeing as how he is a friend of yours, it leaves me to ponder as to why not just ask him the questions you asked here? We would just be guessing and he could give you definitive answers and might even help you achieve a good outcome.
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Old 07-08-2009, 11:52 PM
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Re: Losing Business

The guy that was modeling for the photos is my friend, Tom. I've known him for something like 7 years. He couldn't help me with anything. I already asked him and he was pretty lost. So I asked him to post them here to see if I could figure it out. He (the model) said it was okay so I did. I didn't even think about the photographer.

The photographer (Ben) that took the photos isn't my "friend." We are friendly competitors and neither one of use tells the other how we do things. Keeps things interesting and being so close in age and proximity we compete for the same clientèle. I'm trying to get a leg up as I'm sure he is too.

But yeah, I never even thought about it in terms of the photographer. I go to such lengths to protect my own stuff but I completely overstepped that line with him. I would have had a problem with it if someone had done it to me so I sent him a "sorry" email.

Boo Me. :o(
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Old 07-09-2009, 05:12 AM
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Re: Losing Business

Got a link to the photos?
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Old 07-09-2009, 10:16 AM
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@ CaptainHook

This is Tom:
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/ph...1&id=500230561
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