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Old 07-18-2009, 11:24 AM
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How much is lighting vs post??

Let me first introduce myself and say you guys are amazingly talented!!!

I just graduated from photography school, where we learned mainly lighting and basic photoshop, but not nearly the level of retouching in a lot of the work in today's ad world. I am trying desperately to make photography work as a career, and need some help demystifying how much of shots like this are lighting versus retouching/compositing. At the moment I am greatly overwhelmed!!!



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Old 07-18-2009, 11:41 AM
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Let me first introduce myself and say you guys are amazingly talented!!!

I just graduated from photography school, where we learned mainly lighting and basic photoshop, but not nearly the level of retouching in a lot of the work in today's ad world. I am trying desperately to make photography work as a career, and need some help demystifying how much of shots like this are lighting versus retouching/compositing. At the moment I am greatly overwhelmed!!!



Thanks!

-Jesse

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In that image... 50 50 I'd say
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Old 07-18-2009, 03:06 PM
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Re: How much is lighting vs post??

There's no substitute for a well-lighted photograph, and this is coming from a pro retoucher, not a photographer.
Fiscus' stuff is heavily retouched, but I think the majority of it is in the compositing. The lighting was probably already awesome, it's just enhanced in post-production.

I've not worked on his stuff, but I imagine that he photographs elements seperately and composites them later, that way each element is given individual lighting treatments that don't spill over into the other elements. That approach also ensures that each element is exactly how and where he wants it. Like that fire for instance. The fire is probably many shots of fire and some illustration put together to make the "perfect" flame. No way he would have caught that AND gotten everyone else's expressions/positioning/etc in-camera only.

I got my degree in photography in 2000, and the teachers glossed over retouching without discussing how most of the work we saw (and tried to emulate) was retouched to hell and back.
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Old 07-18-2009, 03:20 PM
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Re: How much is lighting vs post??

Thanks! Yea I figured it would be nearly impossible to get that all in one take... I think in school they covered compositing in roughly one hour long class. I need all the help I can get!!
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Old 07-18-2009, 08:16 PM
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Re: How much is lighting vs post??

A lot of that is about light, complex lighting setups - assistants that you can order around. If your a Photographer think 'painting with light'. Having an eye for how light and form work - surprising how many photographers are actually depending on canned 'styles' rather than doing this with any imagination.

That image you linked to, LOOKS like many composited elements stuck together, but it does go with the 'fairground' feel I guess. People assume that a lot more is happening in retouching than actually is. Sure those images are heavily retouched, but the base material is all there before it gets to post.

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Old 07-18-2009, 10:33 PM
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Re: How much is lighting vs post??

Jesse, welcome to RetouchPRO Hope you enjoy your stay here and make lots of friends. Poke around, ask questions, offer help, have fun!

As a photographer, get the best shot you can, in camera, no matter what..

Always have a clear vision, a script, a story board, of what you want as a final picture... focus on the viewscreen.. look at the subject, background, peripherals, reflections, eyes, pose, and even, way in the back of your mind, think of what can be removed in post .. like the guy holding the tall lamp pointing down on the hair.. Not what could be improved in post... because generally speaking if it could be improved in post it could have been shot better... therefore.. always make sure that when you snap the shutter... there will be as little as possible work to do in post production...

If you shoot with the object of bringing a number of shots together by composting, then get the best shot you can, in camera, of each element... Keeping the shadows, highlights, general appearance, and continuity consistent with the base or background image and complying with the vision, script, story board, of what you wanted as a final picture..

If in post, you need to find details in the shadows or the shadows are blocked... the lighting could have been adjusted... if the highlights are blown out.. the lighting could have been adjusted... lost hair detail, flat eyes, stray shadows, color casts, reflections from outside the frame, etc... the lighting could have been adjusted or better controlled...

Even though it may take a lot of shooting to get that ONE shot that works and fulfills your vision of the image... keep on shooting till you get it right.. never settle for "we will just fix it in Photoshop!"...

Get the best shot you can, in camera, be consistent, and only show your BEST work!

Practice Cubed!

Good Luck, looking forward to seeing a lot of your work!
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Old 07-19-2009, 12:45 AM
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Re: How much is lighting vs post??

Well... A correct lighting is enough, even a bad light is enough, but the better the shot, the better the retouch.
The retouching is much more a fine tuning. However, a raw picture will always be raw and will look a bit dead without some retouch, even the best setup will fail before a retouch. Just few cases don't need editing. Reality is 98% bad looking, 2% amazing and 100% fantastic when retouched.
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Old 07-19-2009, 10:41 AM
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Re: How much is lighting vs post??

Thanks guys for all your responses, this such a fun site!!
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Old 07-19-2009, 12:54 PM
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Thanks guys for all your responses, this such a fun site!!
Absolutely... Check the Dave Hill Post... That one is fucking funny...
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Old 07-19-2009, 02:37 PM
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This will be the shortest post any of you have ever seen from me. Melancholy has silenced my tongue.
In a nutshell - Garbage in = Garbage out

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