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Old 07-29-2009, 05:23 AM
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Texture in skin!!

Hey guys.....

LOVE this forum i have a question....

How does this 'textured' (rough look) in his skin work get achieved in post?

http://www.keslertran.com/port/portfolio.html

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Its prevalent in ALL his images..what method is being used here?

Thanks in advance

Dan
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Old 07-29-2009, 07:47 AM
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Re: Texture in skin!!

After all the relevant 'smoothing out' use a highpass filter, overlay it and adjust opacity. but i'm not a fan of this method you can tell easily that he hasn't spent the time in the smoothing out department. Just pretty much you bog standard surface blur method has been used, which really is not really the professional way to do things. The dead giveaway is that the skin cells have depth with shadow but have lost any specular highlight detail. Images are nice enough...
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Old 07-29-2009, 08:20 AM
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After all the relevant 'smoothing out' use a highpass filter, overlay it and adjust opacity. but i'm not a fan of this method you can tell easily that he hasn't spent the time in the smoothing out department. Just pretty much you bog standard surface blur method has been used, which really is not really the professional way to do things. The dead giveaway is that the skin cells have depth with shadow but have lost any specular highlight detail. Images are nice enough...

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Shame to use that in such nice pictures.
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Old 07-29-2009, 09:57 AM
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Re: Texture in skin!!

Those are nice pictures that have in some cases been blurred and ruined. Looks like at least 3 different retouchers working on them, with vastly different quality.
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Old 07-29-2009, 08:04 PM
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Re: Texture in skin!!

I'm not sure which images you're referring to, but some of them aren't too bad (at least to my untrained eye). Some of them, however, are tragic! Especially image No. 2 in his "Beauty Portfolio". I've seen better skin on a department store dummy! Such a shame to ruin his beautiful photography that way.
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Old 07-30-2009, 12:24 AM
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Hi Dan,

I agree...nice images.

The technique is called skin pore replacement. It has been used in New York, LA and London for some time...but is not a widely distributed workflow. His images are a combination of smoothing and skin pore texturizing...there is some unevenness in some of his images...but he liked the images...and everybody has their own judgements and threshold levels on smoothing and skin pore replacement...its a highly individual preference...and everybody likes to have it their own preferred way it seems. I agree...there is quite a range of quality from image to image.

This technique is becoming quite popular lately because many end-users have dwindling budgets to pay a retoucher to do a 6 hour $480 dodge and burn on their image. The replacement pores gets you a fairly realistic look if done well and takes only 5 or 10 minutes...so if the image is not for a magazine budget...then skin pore replacement is a way to get pores...with a reasonable budget... and with a reasonable timeframe.

Everybody has their own tastes, budgets and preferences for each image...and if done well with some skill and artistry...then the end images can be pretty gorgeous...thats where we are all trying to get to.

Some of the images in Kesler's portfolio are a touch over done and the pore effect is a bit splotchy and uneven and a bit strong or slightly missing in some places. Its a real judgement call on each image...and it takes skill as well as developed artistry to get that good looking balance. I like some of the images he is doing. He is making his statement.

We all are somewhere between raw reality and idealism and creating illusion in this marketplace. Each of us seems to have certain kinds of looks we favor. All of us are beginners at something and we do it awkwardly at first...so we practice hard... and it gets better over time. At some place along the way... we make our own kind of preferred art...based on what we like... and where we are AT right now. We use and experiment with many different kinds of available media and various techniques in our quest...someday life will stop changing...and we will be happy... with that one special perfect image we created.

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Old 07-30-2009, 06:58 AM
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Re: Texture in skin!!

Ah the guilty come to light - 'Featuring "The New York style of Retouching'! - that's just completely laughable.

To be honest there are one or two quicker methods than D&B, still requiring some judgement - that will produce much better results than that quite obviously blurred look. The base texture is completely wrong, and if it took as long as 20 minutes then that's ridiculous.

Its worrying that people are seriously thinking of setting up 'Customized Retouch Training and and Professional Retouching Resources' who clearly are going to turn every beginner that goes there into a smudger. There was an epidemic of this a few years ago.
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Old 07-30-2009, 07:05 AM
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To be honest there are one or two quicker methods than D&B, still requiring some judgement - that will produce much better results than that quite obviously blurred look.
Do tell! Which methods???
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Old 07-30-2009, 09:16 AM
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Ah the guilty come to light - 'Featuring "The New York style of Retouching'! - that's just completely laughable.

To be honest there are one or two quicker methods than D&B, still requiring some judgement - that will produce much better results than that quite obviously blurred look. The base texture is completely wrong, and if it took as long as 20 minutes then that's ridiculous.

Its worrying that people are seriously thinking of setting up 'Customized Retouch Training and and Professional Retouching Resources' who clearly are going to turn every beginner that goes there into a smudger. There was an epidemic of this a few years ago.
Wait... so that's not how the big dogs do it?

/me shocked
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Old 07-30-2009, 10:36 AM
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Re: Texture in skin!!

the blurred method is noticeable in all the galleries, specially all the beauty section.
on the editorial/fashion is minor, but it's still there, destroying some good portraits with a very good ligth (or maybe he retouched the light too).

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The technique is called skin pore replacement. It has been used in New York, LA and London for some time...but is not a widely distributed workflow. His images are a combination of smoothing and skin pore texturizing...there is some unevenness in some of his images...but he liked the images...and everybody has their own judgements and threshold levels on smoothing and skin pore replacement...its a highly individual preference...and everybody likes to have it their own preferred way it seems. I agree...there is quite a range of quality from image to image.
i'm very curious about this method.
more info or some link about it?
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