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How to have the widest and the richest grayscale ?

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Old 11-09-2009, 04:55 PM
Fabrizio Fabrizio is offline
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How to have the widest and the richest grayscale ?

Hey all,

That's my first official post ! Hello RetouchPro Community !

I read a lot of methods about how to turn a RGB picture in a B&W one but I'm still not convinced. This question is simple, the methods (like BW functionnality in PS) seem simple but a good result is very hard to have.

One year ago, I visited the exposition of Patrick Demarchelier in Paris, and I never saw B&W pictures with a such rich and wide gray scale. (I know, I know, shooting with a Hasselblad can help ;-)

http://k53.pbase.com/o3/50/833250/1/...9Na_rPBase.jpg

So my question is : on Photoshop, according to you, which method is the best one to have a very rich grayscale ? Do you use the B&W basic functionnality of PS, did you find an another way to make a beautiful B&W...? Is the D&B method is mandatory to have a good result ?

Thanks in advance !

Have a nice week,

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Old 11-09-2009, 05:44 PM
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Re: How to have the widest and the richest graysca

if you want rich grayscale, i suggest you look into getting a dedicated printer that only prints black and white..i recall my days of scanning for conde nast, they would always want a 4 color black and white over just a grayscale image...

http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl;js...c=362672&sc=15
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Old 11-09-2009, 06:13 PM
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Re: How to have the widest and the richest graysca

Fabrizio, Welcome to RetouchPRO Hope you enjoy your stay here and make lots of friends. Poke around, ask questions, offer help, have fun!

As Danny Raphael has stated in previous threads "A boatload of Information here":
Tutorial 05: Converting a Color Image to Black and White grayscale BW

A nice discussion here:
Actions: Black and white B&W BW (Bill Miller)

And a tutorial discussing the various methods:
Some techniques for converting a color image to black and white

As you alluded to it is always best if you start with a nice, crisp, high dynamic range image..

My personal best method is to try a combination of all the methods I am familiar with and blend together the best areas of each

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Old 11-09-2009, 07:20 PM
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Re: How to have the widest and the richest graysca

Lambda printer.
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Old 11-10-2009, 08:06 AM
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Re: How to have the widest and the richest graysca

I use a Nikon D700, which is quite the same than the Hasselblad quality. In some aspects it's the same thing but somehow, the hasselblad produces better images. Comparisson here: http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/eng...d2)/Hasselblad

I do love gray scale too, but I don't think the example you posted fits under the richest grey scale image. I have seen better images taken with verym, very cheapers cameras than a Hasselblad. I think it's in the process more than in the camera used. I have seen stunning gray scale pictures taken with a Canon 300D! Unbelievable...

HEre you have some examples of gray scale images: http://mart1980.deviantart.com/favou...-Scale-Process

The best way is analyzing and viewing lot of grayscale images in order to understand how they become the way they look. What is the essence of that looking and how to achieve the same thing by using software. D&B is a good technique to clean out posterization or using the HP technique also helps. It's a work of hours.
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Old 11-10-2009, 09:13 AM
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Re: How to have the widest and the richest graysca

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I use a Nikon D700, which is quite the same than the Hasselblad quality... Comparisson here: http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/eng...d2)/Hasselblad
HAHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAH
These all tests make me laugh... hahahahaha
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Old 11-10-2009, 09:19 AM
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Re: How to have the widest and the richest graysca

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HAHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAH
These all tests make me laugh... hahahahaha
Would love to see better ones. Have some?
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Old 11-10-2009, 02:25 PM
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Re: How to have the widest and the richest graysca

Hey all,

Thanks for your answers.
@olbaldy Thanks. To be honnest, after having read some thread, I 'm very impressed by the quality of members, and the high level of skills here... My search on forum was not accurate enough !
@namphoto and pixelzombie : I've the best Lab of Paris just next to my apartment, I think I will let them to do the job ;-)
@Quantum3 : this test is surprising...except the resolution, where the hasselblad is better ? Because, when you talk with Fashion professional Hasselblad seems unavoidable... For the pic I posted, I agree...but I swear, the original one is just unbelievable... Regarding the pic you posted, it is excellent, it's this kind of grayscale I'm looking for.

Thanks again !
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Old 11-10-2009, 02:33 PM
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Re: How to have the widest and the richest graysca

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Would love to see better ones. Have some?
I don't do tests... I just take pictures

Here is why tests suck:
Take Hassie, take D700
Look at the Raw files and "tadaaaaam".... and then you see the difference.
Anyway In my personal test I'm giving "my own" camera 100 everywhere
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Old 11-10-2009, 03:33 PM
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Re: How to have the widest and the richest graysca

mmmmhhhh.... Do you have RAW from Hassleblad or some test?
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