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Mastering Retouching DVD by Nick Saglimbeni.

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Old 03-04-2011, 11:55 AM
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Re: Mastering Retouching DVD by Nick Saglimbeni.

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This is all too funny
I agree
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Old 03-04-2011, 06:07 PM
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Re: Mastering Retouching DVD by Nick Saglimbeni.

Originally Posted by Nick Saglimbeni View Post
(BE WARNED: What you are about to read waxes philosophical. Ignore this post if you hate nerd talk, because I'm about to get Dungeons & Dragons (2nd Edition) on you.)

Flashtones and FlairDevil, thank you for that recent dialogue. Your conversation just sparked an amazing observation in my head.

I've made my mark in the industry primarily as a photographer, and not a retoucher, so I understand that, at the very least, I'd be considered an outsider in a forum called "RetouchPro", if not a welcome outsider. And if any of you felt that I entered your home without introducing myself, removing my shoes, and shaking your hand, then I do sincerely apologize for the oversight. That was my never my intention, and this is your clubhouse. Let's start over.

Hi, I'm Nick.

With that said, I ask you to simply go back and re-read the soap-opera that this thread has become. Seriously, it's better than the last season of The Sopranos. People are getting really emotional about retouching. I mean really emotional, like on a political level. And that's probably also why this thread has so many views—because something is resonating with, or at least piquing the curiosity of, the readers.

RetouchPro is currently our largest source of sales, and I think it's safe to assume that the great majority of the customers who purchased directly or indirectly through this site, have most certainly read at least a chunk of this thread. So I'm left to conclude that there is at least the possiblity of a disconnect between some of the more "vibrant" posters in this thread and the general or up-and-coming retouching public who stumbled upon the site like me. (You lurkers, you. I know you're there!)

Perhaps not everyone, as others have stated, wants to spend 8 hours retouching a single shot. Perhaps there are those who have chosen photography or retouching as a profession because it's a lot more fun than milling steel (I say this with the greatest respect to steel-workers, whom I grew up with in Baltimore, and I think even they would agree.) I mean, let's be honest, if we had our way, wouldn't we all just be running naked on a beach somewhere? Who wants to stare at a screen all day? I don't, and I LOVE my job.

With Mastering Retouching, I've created for my customers both a time-saver and a money-maker, which I can rightfully stand behind because I have done both for myself using exactly what I teach in the series, regardless of whether you think I have skill or not. And while I'm not terribly concerned what you think about me on a personal level, I do absolutely care whether or not I give an amazing product to a customer. Because I know how hard they've worked to earn that money, and I would never disrespect another's blood, sweat, or time.

Believe it or not, I am thrilled to be here with you guys, amongst your collective wealth of experience and intelligence, and to have a forum such as RetouchPro to discuss my series. Every bit of both positive and negative feedback helps me give my customers better products in the future. So there's never much point in arguing because I'm very grateful to you. That doesn't mean I don't think some of you could be nicer, but no one says you have to be nice. As your Godmother so correctly pointed out, you don't owe me anything.

And when you say that people are only interested in what I teach because of my marketing skills, I am honestly both flattered and shocked, because I don't consider myself a great marketer. I am just real with people. I tell them what I have, and they decide if they want to buy it, steal it, or reject it. It's pretty simple really. For those of you who want to know my marketing secret, I'm going to give it away for free (yes, not my style, I know, but I'm in a generous mood) right now:

Find a way to reach people, and then make a connection, hopefully by inspiring them.

That's it. If someone has a better technique than me, then by all means, go out and sell it, or give it away for free, or put it in a fortune cookie—whatever makes your heart sing. But discrediting my abilities while smart people are watching me build a commercial career largely off the use of these techniques is counterproductive. If you hate my series so much, just let the thread die. You will kill my sales, and I can take up skeet-shooting, or perhaps the xylophone. shall be the xylophone.
*evil laugh*

But the reason I can read this thread without shooting myself in the head is because people write me every day to tell me how much this series has helped them make money, save time, and most importantly how easy it is to learn. Why must a technique be complicated to be good?

And if I was really out to mislead people, do you honestly think I'd be in here so often, personally addressing all of these comments with technical and factual responses? Don't you think I would be hiding out in a cave somewhere with my periscope, and a cat on my lap, and a shark moat? (Because let's face it, every respectable villain must, at the very least, have a shark moat.)

Think about it.

Nick, have you considered maybe it's not about you? Maybe all this has been about answering the original post.

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Old 03-04-2011, 09:04 PM
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Re: Mastering Retouching DVD by Nick Saglimbeni.

you should sometimes visit youtube and hopefully you'll understand
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Old 03-05-2011, 04:52 AM
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Re: Mastering Retouching DVD by Nick Saglimbeni.

New here and have regratable disdain for this to be my first post. I was having a look about the forums when I saw this thread and just had to laugh when I saw this cockup about 250 magazine covers and all the so-called "testamonials" and success hype this guy Nick creates about himself. Let me get this straight- he's selling an old PS technique that he also claims to have invented and names it as his own business name to get more traffic? I've lived in L.A. for 12 years via the UK originally, and I've known of Nick and his "Model classes" just from word of mouth. I also knew a guy who had worked for him at some point and knows his marketing scemes quite well. Normally I would just mind my own bloody business on this type of thing, but it just gets so irritating to read his self-manufatured hype claims when they differ so from reality. Nick's marketing strategy is to create this image that he's more valid than he really is. Since you all don't know what the facts are, he can just make up whatever he wants to get you to buy his stuff solely on his own embellished claims, forced testimonials and phrasing tricks. I thought you all might get a kick out of the photo I attached.

You see, it's easy to claim you've shot hundreds of magazine covers when YOU are the director of photography, photographer, photo editor and financial partner for the magazine. Basically, it's two guys that run that Show Magazine publication and Nick's one of them. There's no one to reject or approve his work- it's his own clubhouse. Not that he's denying it, but he never revealed it. Starting to see? So every cover he shoots is approved no matter how low-class it looks, and he can total up as many as he wants. Advertising all the covers you've shot when it's your own magazine is like starting a photo contest, voting yourself the winner and then using "award winning" in your ads. They even shoot the publisher's girlfriend so they can call her a "cover model" and use it in his ad claims that his model schools he sells get modles cover jobs. He uses phrasology tricks in his marketing such as "super-star models" to create a misinterpretation that he's working with "supermodels" (that we all recognize as famous models from major agencies) when in fact, these "models" are just girls off the street without agency representation. And this is L.A., where every girl has an agent, so it's even worse. Most the other mags he's listed are simply ghetto glam pubs, and quailty is not the selling point anyway (I'd have to see the Maxim issue, I think he shot the now-defunct Spanish version once, and not the mainstream issue). I think he's shot with a former Playmate, but who hasn't, really.

Another fact, his testimonials are prompted or just written by himself and given the "ok" by his clients as the authors in exchange for discounts or perks. He sells these PhotoKamps and ModelKamps at over-charged rates to the public newcomers (for which he does same bloody thing on both) and promises that it will teach you all the "secrets" to become a pro. "Secrets"? Really? Here's the real deal: When you are a working commercial pro, you don't need (or have time) to pedal your services to the general public to pay your bills. Better sign up for his classes if you want to be taught how to hone your skills into being rejected by the industry and having to make a living selling your slag to the public. How do you reckon all that arse-kissing he does with Kim Kardash hasn't resulted in one cover shot of her in a mainstream mag? She's on every bloody large-market cover out there and Nick hasn't had anything to do with any of them. And he's charging the public for instruction?? Can you imagine 'ol Kim on the cover of W magazine completely bludgeoned up with the clone tool and looking like a bad illustration from Nick's cheap retouching? The only mags that allow that pixel smearing technique are his own semi-porn ghetto slut mags that he cranks out and uses to boast about his hundreds of cover shots. Oh yes, the "much never talked about" Kardashian Christmas card, he even over-retouched the baby's face on that disaster. The reason he has to do so much retouching in the first place is because of his sloppy lighting. When you aim nine strobes in a circle and blast 18,000 watts of flash power onto a model, her every skin fault is going to be blazingly eveident. In fact, I'm surprised her skeleton doesn't show through and he charges money to retouch it out.

Basically, anyone can see that his whole selling strategy is a used car salesman routine. The "you can trust me because I'm your friend" type BS. He posts that phoney crock about how he's so sincere in hoping everyone's families and lives are well- what a stretch to get a sale. If he was anyone's mate here, he would be posting in other threads and contributing positive exchange with everyone here like the real professionals on this board have taken the time to do, not just for his own profit. His posts are only to convince you to buy his product, not because he really cares about you or your career. When I moved to L.A., I learned quickly that anyone here who acts like they care about you is most definitely out to get something from you. First sign of a phoney.

My question is, why would anyone on here who wants to be a professional photographer or retoucher pay for instruction from someone who isn't, and whos' work never gets far from his small clubhouse of cheap smut mags with minging models? Seems obvious to me that he's a nobody trying to bail out his sinking boat with this so called "secret selling". Anyway, if his product is any good, then it will sell on it's own by word of mouth. Not because he has to twist up a bunch of bollocks about how many of his own mag covers he's shot- but doesn't fill you in on that little detail. Just beware of people who claim they are acting on your best interest when they stand to make money off of you. And Nick, you've earned your reputation yourself. To you, you're just "marketing". But to the experienced vernacular, it translates as "bullsh*tting". You aren't respected in the industry, especially as an artist.

Now, if you'll all excuse me, I'm going to the magazine stand to take a picture with my cell phone of all the Vogue covers on the shelf, and then start a photo school and advertise that I have shot several covers of Vogue. Hey, according to Nick's marketing methodology, it's still the truth right? It's just the way I shape the truth that I present my credentials.
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Old 03-05-2011, 08:12 AM
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Re: Mastering Retouching DVD by Nick Saglimbeni.

LOL. Can of worms anyone?
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Old 03-05-2011, 10:08 AM
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Re: Mastering Retouching DVD by Nick Saglimbeni.

Everybody, who's really in the business, knows that inflating a bit the stuff is part of the game. The 7 DVD's are about 7,83 GB. It could be just 2 DVD's! That's inflating a product over the limits of ethics, IMO.
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Old 03-05-2011, 11:09 AM
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Re: Mastering Retouching DVD by Nick Saglimbeni.

Interesting thread...the first one I have read here.Hope they are not all like this!!!.
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Old 03-05-2011, 06:11 PM
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Re: Mastering Retouching DVD by Nick Saglimbeni.

Originally Posted by skippy2011 View Post
Interesting thread...the first one I have read here.Hope they are not all like this!!!.
Well that's not quite strictly true Skippy2011.....? The first thread that you posted on and presumably read at your leisure, taking a little spare time out, to fit in a bit of trolling on this thread first, " Marketa look at my website". Being the only other thread you have so far posted to, on this site.

Is it just me? or is it not odd that the white knights on this thread mostly seem to be members with very few posts other than their contribution to this thread. And oddly of those, all tend to be coming from new-ish accounts. Call me a cynic, but is there some kind of manipulation of the non retouching variety in play here. If it's only going to be a reply from an alias account, then please don't bore me, and take the above as rhetorical.

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Old 03-05-2011, 09:21 PM
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Re: Mastering Retouching DVD by Nick Saglimbeni.

So Trendkiller (oh ye of one post and I guess white knight staus), in summation, he fired you or would not hire you. Amirite? lol
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Old 03-06-2011, 12:21 AM
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Re: Mastering Retouching DVD by Nick Saglimbeni.

Fair enough actually was the first thread I read.I have since read a lot more and have found some very informative.
Sorry you thought I was trolling on my other post ( I probably am a bit on both counts)...but I honestly wouldn't hire someone after seeing that first picture.
Au revoir.

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