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Old 12-22-2009, 11:21 PM
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Mastering Retouching DVD by Nick Saglimbeni.

What do you think guys would it be better then High End Retouching series 2.

Check this out : http://www.learnretouching.com/index.php

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Old 12-24-2009, 04:17 PM
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Re: Mastering Retouching DVD by Nick Saglimbeni.

If Nick wants to create a little buzz around here (no reason he shouldn't) I think he should pass his product by a well respected member of this forum for review.
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Old 12-24-2009, 05:16 PM
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Re: Mastering Retouching DVD by Nick Saglimbeni.

From the "proof" section of the website, it looks like the technique is a derivative of degrunge/high pass separation/frequency separation. Buy this DVD if you want to retouch like Maxim, but buy Natalia's if you want to retouch like Vogue.

Also, I'm not sure if this reflects the level of technique in the rest of the DVD, but video demonstrated manual masking a hue saturation adjustment layer onto the bra when the color selection tabs of the hue/sat layer or even a color range selection would be more efficient.

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Old 12-25-2009, 01:00 AM
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Re: Mastering Retouching DVD by Nick Saglimbeni.

Hey guys,

Matt told me you were chatting over here, so I thought I would drop in and say hello. I'm also happy to answer any questions about the DVD while its still in the pre-order phase, because I realize it's hard to size it up properly when it's not yet available.

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If Nick wants to create a little buzz around here (no reason he shouldn't) I think he should pass his product by a well respected member of this forum for review.
I absolutely agree, Flashtones. If you'd be so kind (and this is open to anyone), please familiarize me with some of the most respected members/mods/admins on here, and I will arrange for them to receive an advance copy.

As a fellow photographer and retoucher myself, I understand the risks of glossy-looking websites that claim to do everything and often do nothing—I've been a victim of them myself. That's primarily why I've been beta-testing the series with no less than 10 photographers and retouchers, and I assure you I have no intention of blowing smoke up your asses.

And to respond to Mike's comment, I fully understand your point of view given the marketing direction I've chosen to take with Mastering Retouching. I certainly don't hide the fact that I've made my mark primarily as a glamour photographer. But I would encourage you to look at the fashion, portrait, and cinematic work on both my personal site and on Slickforce as well. I believe this system can be customized to fit your style and workflow...I am by no means trying to create an army of retouchers that make everything look like my own work.

The primary reason I created the DVD was that I've had an increasing number of both photographers and retouchers who are simply encountering retouching problems for which there is currently little-to-no professional-level information available. Let's face it, everyone's a model now (even if they define that by MySpace pics), so that means there is often a lot more imperfect baggage than a trained model would bring to the table. The look of what's popular is also changing. In my experience, nearly all retouching tutorials are demonstrated on blonde white girls. This seems odd to me, given that an increasing majority of both models and Hollywood starlets are non-white. There is no set of tools for working with different skin-tones or the unique retouching challenges that are associated with various ethnicities. Mastering Retouching teaches on models of white, black, Latina, Asian, and east Indian descent. As Hollywood changes, so must the image-makers.

My system is designed for artists who simply want their clients to always look fantastic (whatever that means to you), and who want to learn a set of protective tools that will arm you to deal with nearly any retouching situation. As a commercial photographer, my belief is that when photographers can learn to protect their clients (by insuring they always look their best), it is in the clients' best interest to stay with you, and success is then the only outcome.

I welcome and encourage your thoughts and responses. Thanks for the audience.
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Old 12-25-2009, 12:19 PM
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Re: Mastering Retouching DVD by Nick Saglimbeni.

Wow, when I first entered the site I thought it was a porn site.

Are you serious?

But never mind, I didnt feel like reading it all cuz the colors gave me a head ache. It looks alright but totally not worth 500$ (WTF?).

Natalia's DVD looks alot more promising and in a reasonable price.

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Old 12-25-2009, 01:07 PM
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love your portfolio..u should do webinar as promo or something. Photo of Donna Feldman is just amazing.
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Old 12-25-2009, 01:27 PM
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Wow, when I first entered the site I thought it was a porn site.

Are you serious?

But never mind, I didnt feel like reading it all cuz the colors gave me a head ache. It looks alright but totally not worth 500$ (WTF?).

Natalia's DVD looks alot more promising and in a reasonable price.
Second that. $500 is pretty overpriced tbh.
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Old 12-26-2009, 12:26 AM
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Re: Mastering Retouching DVD by Nick Saglimbeni.

seems reasonable if you want to do porn dvd covers :-)
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Old 12-26-2009, 12:31 AM
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Re: Mastering Retouching DVD by Nick Saglimbeni.

On the webpage I only see a list about what the topics are (a brief description is later written of each after you press the order button) and a short video with an example as to how to change the color of a bra.

I would definitely say its over priced. Since there isn't anything more to go by other than what I wrote at the top.

I would recommend the OP to search the tutorial area of the forum where he can find some tutorials that cater to some of the topics stated in that dvd series.
For example:
The degrunge technique http://retouchpro.com/tutorials/?m=show&id=213

The soft dior look http://retouchpro.com/tutorials/?m=show&id=209

(be sure to log out of the forum if you have problems accessing the links)

You can even google and get stuff like this:
Cloning out stretch marks http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=370440
Using the liquify tool http://www.republicofcode.com/tutori...eo/liquify.php

Ofcourse you'll have to invest more time in looking for all of this and most of the stuff isn't given to you in a silver platter, but as Godmother has said (in one way or another) "there are no retouching secrets"
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Old 12-26-2009, 04:02 AM
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Re: Mastering Retouching DVD by Nick Saglimbeni.

Ya I have to kind of agree with Cuervo,I dont usually comment on this type of stuff,but a little Pricey.But hey if you can get it great!
Theres so much info out there its incredible
Just my opinion
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Old 12-26-2009, 04:10 AM
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Re: Mastering Retouching DVD by Nick Saglimbeni.

Matt you say be fair,when you know the contents,but lets be honest There are literally thousands of people selling this type of content
1) A LOT OF IT IS JUST PURE CRAP AND YOU USUALLY DONT FIND OUT UNTIL YOU PAID FOR IT,tell me how many of you has this happened to at least once.
2)YOU BUY IT AND FIND ITS JUST REPACKAGED INFO< YOU HAVE SEEN BEFORE OR COULD HAVE GOTTEN FOR FREE
I am not saying thats the case with this product,but you can see why people might be skeptical
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Old 12-26-2009, 04:33 AM
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Re: Mastering Retouching DVD by Nick Saglimbeni.

Nick has anyone contacted you yet regarding who to give an early copy of the DVD to? Id suggest starting a thread over on MM and give it to someone there too.

I think once that happens then at least that person can say ok it's worth it or no it's not just the frequency seperation methods ect...

No one here really knows whats in the DVD so I think we should
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Old 12-26-2009, 05:07 AM
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Re: Mastering Retouching DVD by Nick Saglimbeni.

LOL Wow! Y'all are a tough crowd in here! (Nienna, you almost made my head spin with that comment!) It's alright, I like it—you're gonna keep me on my toes!

Lemme try to address a few points and concerns:

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Nick has anyone contacted you yet regarding who to give an early copy of the DVD to?
I'm actually speaking with Doug Nelson to arrange both an advance copy and also a possible session on RetouchPro LIVE.

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Wow, when I first entered the site I thought it was a porn site.
LOL I supposed all the ladies on the site could be a bit distracting, and their purpose misunderstood. Having been submerged in the business of mags like Maxim for several years, I think I'm probably a bit desensitized to images of half-naked women (please note that there is no actual nudity anywhere on the site or in the series). We actually shot original content specifically for this series, and I assure you, my sincere purpose in having the models wear swimwear/lingerie is that A) I wanted to feature as much skin surface area as possible, so as to cover topics that others typically don't (but many retouchers need), such as stretchmarks, cellulite, razor bump, and surgery/pregnancy scars, and B) 90% of the customers that have requested my retouching help are men who photograph women.

All that said, I do apologize for any initial shock value. It is unintended.

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I would definitely say its over priced.
Cuervo and Zganie, I appreciate your concerns on price, especially given the worldwide economic climate we are in at this moment. As I mentioned earlier, I have heavily beta-tested this series, and one of the items I did discuss with each artist was price point. Because this is a complete system and approach to retouching, as opposed to a plug-in or filter, I feel the price fits the product. My greatest concern, however, is gaining new customers. Please PM me if you're seriously interested in the product, and we can discuss options.

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Natalia's DVD looks alot more promising and in a reasonable price.
I actually don't see myself in direct competition with Natalia, as our products target different audiences as well as vastly different aesthetics of photography. I think that Natalia is INCREDIBLY talented, and I hope her product sells through the roof and makes her a fortune! I watched the preview as well, and I think she's got a fantastic tutorial. I strongly believe our products teach different strategies as well as methods or retouching, and I think they will speak to the appropriate audiences.

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1) A LOT OF IT IS JUST PURE CRAP AND YOU USUALLY DONT FIND OUT UNTIL YOU PAID FOR IT,tell me how many of you has this happened to at least once.
2)YOU BUY IT AND FIND ITS JUST REPACKAGED INFO< YOU HAVE SEEN BEFORE OR COULD HAVE GOTTEN FOR FREE
Zganie, this has happened to ME many times. However, as a commercial photographer, I also am comfortable with the risk associated with investing in my career. I completely understand your skepticism, and while I can't offer total transparency into a for-sale product, I can tell you that having taught countless retouching classes one-on-one, the Slickforce Technique, at the very least, is a completely original method. Whether you will like it or not, I cannot say, but I promise you that it's not "repackaged info" or something "you could have gotten for free." Again, please feel free to PM me if you're seriously interested in the series.

Alright, thanks again for your time, guys and gals. You're definitely not going easy on me, and I appreciate the honesty. I figure if I can win over even 10% of you, I'm doing pretty well. Let me know if there's anything else I can answer. Happy Holidays!
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Old 12-26-2009, 05:22 AM
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Re: Mastering Retouching DVD by Nick Saglimbeni.

Thanks for the detailed reply Nick. Can I ask in terms of the actual process how much of it is presented in an end to end fashion? Not sure if I am wording that right but for example on a previous series which I will not name the topic was skin smoothing and the retoucher started off and then said ok I will fast forward now as you don't want to watch me the whole time.

I can appreciate in some places that might be the case but how much of that can we expect on your series? I like the before and afters. For the 2nd and 3rd pics how long did they take to do? Are those pics ones that will be covered in the series?

Also sent you a pm.

PS Great pic of Game in your avy. I noticed that on your site/blog too.

Cheers
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Old 12-26-2009, 05:25 AM
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Happy holidays!

Wish the best for your DVD sales!
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Old 12-26-2009, 11:25 AM
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Re: Mastering Retouching DVD by Nick Saglimbeni.

I'm not really that interested in DVDs at the moment, specially when you already know Dodge & burn, and the degrunge technique. At this point what is more important to me is seeing someone actually working than any kind of techniques.

Well regarding the price point it really depends how you present it, I was giving my opinion to the OP, specially since the last topic seems to be a bunch of techniques I learned intuitively or by searching the internet.
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Old 12-26-2009, 11:30 AM
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The last topic maybe but even then you can't really just assume the rest of the topics are also same info that you have seen elsewhere. I like all the pics I see on his website and all those mag covers pretty much speak for themselves.

Also is Doug himself going to actually test out the DVD's or is he going to pass them onto someone else? I didn't think Doug himself was that into retouching, more admin ect....
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Old 12-26-2009, 11:53 AM
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Re: Mastering Retouching DVD by Nick Saglimbeni.

You can buy a lot for $500. I've been burned from a $200 DVD...not going to do that again. I'd say Snook would be the most critical but impartial critic. Until there a real review...buyer beware!
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Old 12-26-2009, 01:13 PM
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The last topic maybe but even then you can't really just assume the rest of the topics are also same info that you have seen elsewhere. I like all the pics I see on his website and all those mag covers pretty much speak for themselves.
Well still, if the last topic is titled

"Lesson 6 - The Stuff No One Else Will Teach You"

and then goes by describing it

"Now you're ready for your Black Belt in Retouching. Tackle the "touchy subject" problem-areas that no one else will discuss. Stretchmarks, back fat, neck twists, veins, discolored hand and feet, freckles, moles, ashiness, frizzy hair, and jewelry removal."

Which is funny since that's some of the questions I see here and on MM and I have seen answers for them. So for me that takes away allot of credibility in my eyes. Its up to the reader to read the info, read the opinions, and then make up his/her mind.
The results may vary as you can see with your opinion and mine.
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Old 12-26-2009, 02:00 PM
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You have a point there. I think for a lot here they will be relying on feedback from whoever gets to test it out once Doug gets hsi copy.
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Old 12-26-2009, 09:26 PM
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How many hours is the $500 DVD? Doug is a nice guy and you never hear a bad word out of his mouth or in writing. Even if the DVD is terrible he'd find something good to say out it...Doug isn't the critic we seek...especially at the price they are asking.
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Old 12-27-2009, 02:34 AM
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Calvin Hoolywood
My first engl. dvd release is jan 2010 too
4,5 hours of my best techniques.
Something around 99 Dollars

not sure whats in it
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Old 12-27-2009, 02:43 AM
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Re: Mastering Retouching DVD by Nick Saglimbeni.

You Know What Thats a lot of money for what your selling
Pre order special $500 U.S. thats like $550 Canadian and after $700?
And your not even throwing in some Preview
Hey I say BUYER BEWARE
Also Nick and Matt are not even long standing members with just a couple of posts each
I also think there partners in this venture JUST MY OPINION
after READING THE SITE ,I personally dont see anything NEW
Definately not a $700 dollar value on sale for $500
WHAT SAY YOU
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Old 12-27-2009, 03:17 AM
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For instance, I gave him my feedback about why I once didn't buy a retouching DVD because I found out it only retouched one closeup photo of a white girl, when the ads looked like it retouched several shots. Nick has (fully, in real time without fast forwarding and in complete detail) retouched 7 girls at full body length, with different ethnicities and individual retouching needs.
Why is this so important? I saw it written by the retoucher, you and the web site. I haven't found anything in the tutorials (of white women) that I have read and taken into my arsenal that can't work on different ethnicities and I have worked with a few.

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I do want to buy Natalia's DVD because it looks really good, and I'm one to leave no stone unturned in my education to be the best I can at everything I do. I don't clone myself to anyone's style, I take the parts I want and re-work them into my own style using every tool and technique I can find (I do want to make sure it's not 10 hours of retouching one shot before I buy though).
I can understand where you're coming from but I think your fears are unfounded, its like saying that I don't like a tutorial where they used the clone and healing tools to remove stretch marks because I didn't see it could also be used to reshape a body or to make a body part using the same tools. Granted I can claim the tutorial isn't very "complete", but if I understand how the technique is done and understand what its doing, I can transplant it to many things that didn't really have to do with the original intent. For example I can use the Dodge & Burn to take clothing wrinkles away, use it in jewelery to accentuate the shine of the facets of the stones, I can even deviate technique I use for dodge and burn to add mascara and blush.

By the way I even find the high end retouch DVD (which Natalia was invited to do) to be overpriced as well, since most of what she's talking about you can also find it on the internet. How ever the Value part is seeing her work from start to finish on the photo (I guess that's where you found it to your liking that Nick took 4 photos and retouched them from start to finish) but even then I see it as overpriced.
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Old 12-27-2009, 06:05 AM
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Nick has (fully, in real time without fast forwarding and in complete detail) retouched 7 girls at full body length, with different ethnicities and individual retouching needs. There's no skipping over stuff, and he talks about what, how and why through every retouch from start to finish. Each retouch starts at the out-of-camera stage and finishes fully-retouched and takes about 45 min for each.

P.S. Sorry this was sooo long, but as you can tell we aren't the type of people who don't listen to or care about other artist's feedback.
That's good to know. I was wondering if they are all full retouches. It's also good to see not only yourself but also Nick on here answering questions.

In regards to who on here should be testing it of the top of my head id say either Natalia/Nienna/Ruud/mrmonday or skydog.... im sure there are probably other pros on here too.
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Matt...I assume this is you....very nice

http://www.mtmstudios.com/

however...still cautious when it comes to $500 for a DVD
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personally I'd require much more of a preview for these tutorials before I would be even tempted, what is provided is not nearly enticing enough plus the promise ridden descriptions make me a bit doubtful.... basically back up what you are saying with some more content & everyone will be happy
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Old 12-27-2009, 09:28 AM
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I agree. The web needs more info and more previews.
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Old 12-27-2009, 01:01 PM
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Hey guys... it would be really nice if you leave me out of this

I highly doubt I'm the right person to write a review, I'm biased by the fact that I hate glamour and anything related to it. To the point of rejecting a lot of money to record a glamour retouching DVD.

I don't want my name related to any of it and I do agree with Nick about us not being competition. Different target.

Have a great day and happy holidays!

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I think it's the price tag of the thing rather than the newbiness that generates a certain amount of hostility.
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Old 12-28-2009, 03:22 AM
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I think it's the price tag of the thing rather than the newbiness that generates a certain amount of hostility.
I definitely do get that sense, and I'm comfortable with that assessment. I am always grateful for potential customer feedback, and please do keep in mind that I am releasing proprietary secrets in this series that I have personally created and/or customized over the years to aid me in my magazine career.

Once the series has been out for a year or two, it is certainly possible that the price could come down. I also recognize that the recession has put added pressure on many artists' finances. I am not forcing anyone to buy this series, nor am I misleading them into doing so on their own. Again—I believe the price is fair for what you will learn. I still choose not to undersell my personal techniques. I'm sure my fellow artists will understand this. Just as I can't convince ProFoto or Hasselbad to give me free equipment, I have to pay to create the quality of photography that best suits what I want to acheive in my art and my career. Every artist should do the same, even if that means not buying this. My last "real" job was making color-copies at Kinko's and I believe the tools I am now teaching helped me quit the rat-race and build a successful career. No one has to agree with me, I'm just trying to share what I know with those who are seeking it.

Furthermore, I also find it amusing that so many members are contacting me via PM and e-mail (as opposed to posting publicly) asking about the series, because I think they're afraid to go against the collective grain that has pre-judged my series. While I do share Matt's view that this thread, at the very least, is unusually hostile, I cannot expect to be treated with kid-gloves in a commercial market, especially when there is so much free content available. I have nothing to hide, and I have offered many methods to contact me if you are interested or have questions about the product, including its price tag.

So that I can be clear, while everyone is deconstructing the "smoke and mirrors" that may or may not be in the series, I will again state that the reason I created Mastering Retouching was, first, to educate photographers on how to make anyone look amazing, so as to both protect and grow their commercial business (for example, at Slickforce we charge between $50-200/photo for retouching...even at $25/each, you would make your money back after only 20 shots...so I don't think the product is actually overpriced, I just think many are used a market where everything is free. I believe in paying for things that advance me to another level—you don't have to).

I also want to clarify that while I have used glamour to illustrate my teaching, the methods learned on this series are simply applicable to any style of photography. I think my target audience will see in the tutorials that I don't hate on any style, though many in here have already associated my own photography, which does not contain nudity or sex and actually appears on PG-rated newsstands every month, with porn. That's just tacky—a pro should know better.

Lastly, as I've said before, I created this series to speak to a new, more diverse audience that is often underrepresented in the entertainment and photography industries. You have every right to disagree that this even exists, but those who I am reaching know exactly what I am talking about. This is for you.

On the other hand, if you don't believe in paying for quality tools, if you think images of models in swimsuits to show the retouching of specific skin flaws is actually porn, or if you think everything that one can learn about retouching is already available for free or for less than Mastering Retouching, then I implore you, PLEASE DO NOT BUY MY SERIES. Otherwise, you know how to reach me.

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While I do share Matt's view that this thread, at the very least, is unusually hostile
Is not unusual.
It's against the rules to use the forums as advertising.
Matt had never used the forums before and he came in, for the first time, in "infomercial mode" some ppl might take that as "not cool"
I understand you came trying to "clear the air" afterward and I see that u needed to step in because ppl where trashing your hard work and that's never fair.

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I also want to clarify that while I have used glamour to illustrate my teaching, the methods learned on this series are simply applicable to any style of photography. I think my target audience will see in the tutorials that I don't hate on any style
I was not trying to insult you or your work. Trully hope it didn't come out that way. English is not my native language and some times I come off s a bitch
Glamour does not equal porn in my eyes, I just dislike it. something personal.

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On the other hand, if you don't believe in paying for quality tools, if you think images of models in swimsuits to show the retouching of specific skin flaws is actually porn, or if you think everything that one can learn about retouching is already available for free or for less than Mastering Retouching, then I implore you, PLEASE DO NOT BUY MY SERIES. Otherwise, you know how to reach me.
We couldn't agree more. I don't see the point in bashing the product. Ask about it... give your opinion in a neutral matter but if you don't like it, just don't buy it.
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The hostility is to the the price I agree not really the "newbieness".
As I have mentioned before, I hate when people present stuff as "top secret" or "stuff nobody will teach you" when in the end it comes down that it isn't true.
I'm a bit acid about this because I have seen it many times specially in stuff like DVDs.
You guys compare yourselves time and time again with quality lenses, and quality camera equipment, and its the same with new equipment coming out. For example canon seems to think that its great to make beta testers out of the first buyers of their equipment. Some people (like me) don't go all giddy anymore when new stuff comes out.

To the comment that Matt made about buying good lenses, I will buy good lenses but I won't go and buy a new version just because it's supposed to be better. Specially if there isn't enough time and reviews to give me a broader view.

"The just pay for the sinners" as the saying in spanish goes. Its not Nick's fault that many people have been burned by retouch dvds but you will be judged by those experiences, as you can read from the many guys being cautious
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Old 12-28-2009, 04:57 AM
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I definitely do get that sense, and I'm comfortable with that assessment. I am always grateful for potential customer feedback, and please do keep in mind that I am releasing proprietary secrets in this series that I have personally created and/or customized over the years to aid me in my magazine career.
Well for a start I am not a potential customer. I just happened to read this thread and simply gave my opinion about what went on in it and why.

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I will again state that the reason I created Mastering Retouching was, first, to educate photographers on how to make anyone look amazing, so as to both protect and grow their commercial business.
Well I am believing you are actually quite dishonest here and you are doing it primarily for earning more money than you currently make doing your magazines covers. At the price it is, if you sell just 2000, which isn't too far fetched IMO considering the size of the market which is worldwide, you are going to net $1 million.

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I think my target audience will see in the tutorials that I don't hate on any style, though many in here have already associated my own photography, which does not contain nudity or sex and actually appears on PG-rated newsstands every month, with porn.
I must say that I also got the same first impression when going on your website that it was a porn site. Something about the layout, dunno, something. Now as far as the lads magazines you work for and you mention go, I am believing their sole "raison d'etre" is the selling of sexual fantasy so that the frontier between them and porn is so thin that it is IMO non-existant even if there is no actual porn or even nudity in them.

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Lastly, as I've said before, I created this series to speak to a new, more diverse audience that is often underrepresented in the entertainment and photography industries. You have every right to disagree that this even exists, but those who I am reaching know exactly what I am talking about. This is for you.
No again I don't think this is for me. I wouldn't even buy it for $100 tbh considering that what is displayed in your proof page (http://www.masteringretouching.com/proof1.php) is not difficult to achieve at all for the most IMO. Three of the example are very easy and the fourth one is of only medium difficulty.

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My last "real" job was making color-copies at Kinko's and I believe the tools I am now teaching helped me quit the rat-race and build a successful career. No one has to agree with me, I'm just trying to share what I know with those who are seeking it.
What you are selling here in fact is a merely is a $500 "dream" I understand, the dream that those $500 are going to offer a path to leave the "rat race" and enter a world of glamour etc...

Sorry if I come accross as harsh but as you quoted my little post to write all that I took it all personally
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Old 12-28-2009, 05:20 AM
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At the end of the day if the series is not what it is being made out to be then word will spread around after a while.
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imo there are no magic solutions in retouching & the purchase of any dvd even the good ones will not instantly make you a good retoucher .... this only comes after hours & hours ...of practice ...& then some ... which probably isn't what people want to hear
sure you can pick up a few tricks for this & that (all of which can be found here on RP) but it will take years before you can confidently take an image from start to finish with full knowledge of what you are doing & alot of which you gotta piece together yourself...
so anyone going to teach retouching really should emphasise the need for practicex3 as much as anything else... as opposed to selling secrets of success
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That goes without saying Mark. But sometimes there are new techniques that come into play that we were not aware of before. Eg take a look at the high pass sucks thread over on MM and that has since turned into a technique prior to D&B itself. So there maybe something in Nicks DVD that will also enlighten people in a similar fashion.

All im saying is I like the before and afters on his website. Maybe I am just being naive who knows but I think I will take a risk on it anyway.

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I was not trying to insult you or your work. Trully hope it didn't come out that way. English is not my native language and some times I come off s a bitch
Glamour does not equal porn in my eyes, I just dislike it. something personal.
I appreciate the thoughts, Natalia, and I understand your point of view. I sincerely do wish you all the best in your own DVD series (I think we both know just how well you are going to do, so congratulations).

For those of you who happen to dislike glamour because you feel it may be exploitational, please do just a bit of research on my company, and you will see that not only does SlickforceStudio pride itself on being the most professional (perv-free) glam studio in the country, but we also actively donate portions of all of our services, including Mastering Retouching, to two major sexual-abuse charities: RAINN and RedlightChildren.

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Sorry if I come accross as harsh but as you quoted my little post to write all that I took it all personally
(I only meant it to cover my first point, where I agreed with you. Sorry if it seemed like my whole novel was a response...not intentional! )

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It's against the rules to use the forums as advertising.
Understood. Please note that before Matt or I even came in here, the thread was in fact started by a regular member, not by anyone in my camp—I simply felt the need to respond and clarify. However, I respect the rules of the forum that you have all worked hard to build. This will be my last post in this thread, as it is impossible for my comments to be unbiased.

I do, once again, thank all of you for listening. You have given me much help in revising, marketing, and publicizing this product. I wish you the happiest of holidays, a very prosperous 2010, and the best in your respective careers. May all your dreams come true.
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Thanks for taking the time to answer questions on here. Have sent you a message over on slickforce.

Cheers
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Hi Nick
Do you answer the messages what you get ?

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Please go to the website and read the product he is proposing. Six lessons for approximately 6 hours. The lessons will not be ready until Jan2010 for downloading. DVD not ready until March (they hope). Hard copy of the DVD for free (wow what a deal) if you order now in advance at the discounted $500 price...definitely don't wait until the price goes back to $700. Fortunately, the first lesson covers all the basic photo shop needs you will need to apply the "system". The last lesson ...most important ...are the secrets...well worth the investment to stay one step ahead of the competition. Go for it gamedonechanged and let us know what you think.
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Sorry were you being sarcastic?

I'll let you know how it works out. :-)
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If you know nothing about retouching and money/value is not a concern...no.
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Meaowwwww

In any case I don't think there is anything wrong with trying something new out. Unfortunatley with a lot of these things it's hard to gaugue the facts first as no one here has tried it and there doens't seem to be a thread on MM. Also couple that with the fact that Doug refused to take a copy to try out that pretty much doesn't leave me with any choice other than to just wait it out until someone does take the plunge either here or on MM.

Not trying to have a pop at you Doug but a lot of us were keen to see what the DVD was like so it's unfortunate that you declined Nicks offer of getting a pre release copy.

Anyway I will be ordering it soon so will let you know how I get on.
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Old 12-29-2009, 07:31 AM
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Gamedonechanged, I don't think most here are saying there's anything wrong with trying something new out.
The thing is that by the little information that there is in the web page, the super simple video example, and what is being provided in the thread, most people smell something funny. I specially do when the producer of the DVD uses marketing language that you know its intended for the newbies, and the none responsiveness to some of the points I have written about.
If you feel the techniques are worth the $500 go for it. At the moment I feel it isn't worth the money.
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Old 12-29-2009, 09:19 AM
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I'm actually speaking with Doug Nelson to arrange both an advance copy and also a possible session on RetouchPro LIVE.
I think a RetouchPro Live session will help in a big way to determine the quality of the DVD series. I will admit I thought the $500 cost of the DVD is expensive, but when you top of your profession then it seems reasonable.

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Are you thinking Nick will do a start to finish retouch so that people can bypass buying the DVD to just see his workflow for $10? lol Nice try but I doubt it.
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I looked again at the tutorial presented on the site showing "how to easily change the color of a bra". It appears that there is a mask of the bra prior using the lasso tool that selected the bra prior to changing the hues. Nothing about the mask was mentioned, so a novice seeing this tutorial would get the impression that what is show is all that is required. I see nothing on the tutorials mentioning lessons on masks. Am I seeing this correctly?
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Yes you are right I don't see any mentions of masks either. I think everyone here has scared Nick off and he also said he wouldn't be posting any more here so if you have a question you should try asking on slickforce. I asked Nick some very detailed questions there and he was happy to answer them. I'd reccomend you trying the same thing.
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So what detailed answers did you get?
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I'm not going to go through all that here. And if I did I don't think it would really sway peoples minds here. The point is head over there to his forum and ask him for yourself. Cant hurt...

Happy new year you miserable bunch!
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Hey all y'all! This is my first post here although I've lurked around here for quite a while. In my quest for retouching knowledge, I have found very useful several of the tutorials on this site. There are some excellent nuggets here.

Disclosure: I was one of the beta testers for Mastering Retouching by Nick. Maybe my experience is helpful, maybe not. Most, if not all, people with the insight to be game changers were hounded by piles of naysayers....especially at the launch phase.

Last year, I personally flew to LA and paid a handsome fee for a one-on-one retouch session with Nick at Slickforce. When I say handsome, I mean WAY more than the price of the DVD set. Here's why I made that decision: Nick's actual retouching and photo work BLOWS AWAY every retouching book author I have read (I have at least 16 inches of retouching advice on my bookshelf...but compare the quality of published authors' actual results with Nick's—the proof is in the puddin'). His studio is the real deal—magazine covers like crazy, awesome studio and post-workflow. Talk is cheap, go look at the retouch worked photos on his slickforce site. Re-dunkulous.

His stuff doesn't cure cancer, but you can blow your models and clients away in a much shorter time than you'd expect. We did. Most of the Retouching tomes I have are a "mile wide and an inch deep." Nick's stuff is limited to making women look incredible, but very realistically. It's valuable to me because of its focus...because of what he does NOT cover. With all the junk on the internet, it's pretty easy to see that you can spend years separating the wheat from the chaff. Most aspiring retouchers won't buy Mastering Retouching, at least not during the first year...which in a sick kind of way makes me happy...because if everyone with a copy of Photoshop could blow away clients, the scarcity of the skill dies.

In my experience, a nickel and dime attitude usually yields nickel and dime results (and a nickel and dime lifestyle). I was mocked for years about using Apple..."hey, I can build a computer for half the price by scrounging around garage sales for the parts." Yeah, but in the end, you how much of your life have you wasted in dingy garages, while I enjoy my beautiful and elegant machine that doesn't crash and is a joy to just look at? Ah yes, after a while, lots of others eventually jump on the bandwagon after it's "safe."

That is how I feel about Nick's knowledge with retouching. Beautiful, inspiring results. Fun to watch, engaging...not yawn inducing (like pretty much everything else I've seen).
Sure, caveat emptor, but for me, the risk was abso-freakin'-lutely worth it. I had so many "A HA!" moments while watching the beta videos...even after I had the whole day workshop with him last year. Three or four of those eureka moments justified my ROI. After all...no risk, no payoff right?
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First of all! (HOGFATHER) Who are you? How do we Know your just not one of Nicks Friends,(WHICH IS WHAT I AM THINKING).You Have ONE Post and its a SALES PITCH.
In All Fairness you can sell your product for what ever you want.
DONT EVEN GO DOWN PC VERSUS MAC ITS IDIOTIC
NICKEL AND DIME ATTITUDE,I WOULD NOT SAY,Katrin Eismann or Chris Tarentino to name a few ARE NICKEL AND DIME
Nicks Work is nice,Better than I could do BUT! I HAVE SEEN A LOT BETTER
NOW DOWN TO THE WHEAT AND SHAFT:TRUTH BE KNOWN ITS HARD WORK THERE IS NO MAGIC DVD OR PLUGIN OR FORMULA
people that are good its because they put in the time honing there craft NOT that tips and tutorials dont help they most certainly do
FINALLY In My Opinion YOU GUYS KNOW THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST PLACE TO FLOG YOUR GOODS
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There is no need to shout zganie. You only make yourself look like a tit by doing that. At the end of the day if you are not interested then don't buy it but there is no need to slate it before you have even seen it yourself. I don't see people shouting towards Calvin Hollywood or anyone else.

Also I think Nick already said it wasn't a plugin.

Grow up will you.
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LOL, All I read was marketing marketing marketing. There is nothing there that can be said that is an actual comparative information to make me think the DVD is actually worth the money.
The mac and nickle and dime examples have nothing to do with this, nobody really talks about the techniques at all everyone just says "it will blow you away" give me a break when all the "beta testers" and the actual producer of the DVD only talk marketing in their responses and don't publicly answer some direct questions, it makes the DVD look even more fishy.
Stop with the marketing talk and actually talk about the techniques, is it similar to the degrunge technique? Is it better? Some of what it's explained in the last topic of the DVD is simple retouching which I learned from the beginning.
I know when doing something like this its to make money, but be careful when discerning what the actual market is, is this for newbies? is this for advanced? Also be informed that depending on the type of photography different retouches are necessary, Glamour or T&A type photography has one type of retouch on the skin, Beauty photography or fashion photography has another. Sometimes you mix techniques with each but there is rarely a one does all technique, even Dodge & Burn has its drawbacks, and that's the base for most beauty and fashion retouching.
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Old 01-05-2010, 07:05 AM
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I don't think they are going to talk techniques. If he did that why would anyone want to buy it?

I will give feedback once I get my copy. I opted for the download version too so should be able to get it on the day it is released. Until then please do yourselves a favour and pipe down, the constant snapping is getting tiresome. Anyway it's clear you are not even interested in this so why do you continue to post in here?
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I don't think they are going to talk techniques. If he did that why would anyone want to buy it?

I will give feedback once I get my copy. I opted for the download version too so should be able to get it on the day it is released. Until then please do yourselves a favour and pipe down, the constant snapping is getting tiresome. Anyway it's clear you are not even interested in this so why do you continue to post in here?
LOL because I can.
Besides if you can't talk about the techniques then its actually all a gimmick, I'm not saying detail me how to do it but at least answer technical stuff enough to prove you're not relying on the marketing of "hey quick and easy professional results", when your last chapter "supposedly the most important one" details basic stuff most of us learn at the start of our "career".

The other thing is that I don't like when people use just marketing to sell their product and not answer directly publicly when people ask questions. Seems you're decided in buying the DVD so why do you gripe about my posts? Does it bother you that I'm against it? If so why?
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Because it's not bringing anything constructive to the discussion. Anyway like I said I will give my feedback as and when I get a chance to try it out. Unltil then your opinions don't really mean anything anyway as you haven't seen the content yet either.
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lol whatever... you'll tell me if I'm right or not anyway so I don't mind...
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Exactly... you may be right but at least wait till I have given my feedback. Then you can make your judgments based on facts rather than assumptions. Until then try to be a bit polite to Nick. You never know you may end up buying this and end up looking stupid after all this ranting.

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lol, I'll always have trouble to be polite to someone that uses marketing lingo like that....
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Then I think you should work on your interaction skills.
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lol, not likely...
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Wow, I haven't been on Retouch Pro in a while.. I figured I would go on today because I'm home sick from school and would try to pick up a few new things on retouching. But seriously, every one seems pretty hostel now and I feel like I just wasted 10 minutes of my time lol'ing as I read through this.

On the other hand, I checked out the Mastering Retouching series website. I like the glow/glamorous look on all of the models. I think that suites my style of what I'm trying to do more than Natalias work. They both seem like good dvds, and actually I got high-end retouching techniques for x-mas last year. Which I thought was alright, even though it seemed like it left a few things out and the style of retouching was more normal, like what all the other dvd's and training videos seem to teach. I've taken a few courses in retouching, one with Carrie Beene at the photo expo in NYC. It was pretty awesome, not to cheap for a two hour seminar though and the things I learned gave me a look that was similar to what every one else was teaching.

Mastering retouching seems to be the best "glamor retouching" training series. There seems to be cheap or even free training on glamor retouching, but its seems like with the knowledge I have now I could figure out a better way of what they were doing. I feel I could still use the techniques I'd learn from mastering retouching on the girls I shoot even though I dont shoot many girls with little to no clothing on. It seems like each training video or seminar I go to I pick up 1 or 2 new things. I already have a work flow, and I dont plan on changing all of it at once. But I think learning a few new ways of improving it with the way a professional does something and trying new things out on your own is be the best way of staying fresh.


Those are my opinions on the training series. To answer the original question on which one is better I think its entirely up to what you want to achieve with your photography. It seems like there is a lot more informational on the retouching style by Natalia's work than there is with Nick's mastering retouching series. So I think paying a little more for the mastering retouching series is worth it to me just because its different and no one has covered that genre of retouching this good and professionally it seems like.

I plan on pre-ordering the series soon, hopefully as a late x-mas present. But even if that doesn't work out the price still doesn't seem that high for something this professional. (I'm still in high school too) Hopefully I will pick up a few new ideas on how to retouch that I can use in my workflow of retouching. I can let you guys know what I think about the series after I'm done watching it if you want.

I hope people can become more professional around here!

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My goodness. Those were my thoughts on the Mastering Retouching (beta) series based on first hand experience. I disclosed how I came to know Nick: sought him out last year because his work is incredible. A few months ago, he asked me to be a beta tester. I have no financial ties to him in any way (other than a paying customer). When did it become a crime to have a high opinion of someone's skills? Yes, I am a fan. Yes, I paid with my own cold hard cash.

If I were looking at it, that is what I would be interested in as one of the factors in my decision. Of course another way of looking at it is that a positive review of a non-open source product must be an evil, deceptive, marketing conspiracy right?

Gamedonechanged: You are wise with your even handed, thoughtful approach. And you are not crazy to expect some professional demeanor.

Corey: I got High End Retouching last year too (actually just before I attended Nick's workshop)...good DVD too, good presentation, I don't regret the purchase...but I feel like Nick's is more compelling, more focused, and the Slickforce technique is something I'd never come across before.

The site's description is pretty detailed about its contents. But I'm probably biased because I've seen a lot of the actual content so it seems clear to me. I suspect that Nick isn't going to give away the golden goose for free...no matter how many unmannerly ad hominem attacks are lobbed by a vocal minority. (When does that approach work anyway?)
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I suspect that Nick isn't going to give away the golden goose for free...no matter how many unmannerly ad hominem attacks are lobbed by a vocal minority. (When does that approach work anyway?)
As I said the beta testers don't write about anything concrete, I agree that disclosing a technique step by step would be shooting yourself in the foot, but there are other things I and others have pointed out that has not been answered. Which if I'm right devalues the actual product (in my eyes), and which is why it has not been answered by anyone...

I think the unique thing that happened here was that we all had our opinions (either negative or positive) and they where normal with no "heat" on them, but when the actual producer of the product and the beta tester came in is when everything went "lively". Specially since some of the people on the negative side either have been burned before or have had access to some of the retouching dvd's out there and found that most of them use marketing to attract sales, while giving pretty little.

This is the nature of the beast. There will always be two sides of the coin, and there will be heated opinions for and against, people will judge new things with the bias of experience. I say take the good and the bad with a grain of salt, and make your own mind. Because in the end its not the money of the yay or nay "sayer" its YOUR money that's going to be spent.

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a couple of days ago, i figured out, that during the order procedure at slickforce store they add national taxes by international customers....

i dont understand why this american supplier add 19% german tax.....

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Thats strange, I've never bought any thing overseas or know how that stuff works but you might want to contact Nick about that or do some research as to why theres a tax. You could try and avoid it and get maybe a family member or some one you trust in the U.S to buy it for you and just use your email. Then you would get the link for the download when it comes out. Just an idea, hopefully the feds wont freak out lol
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@Corey: i wrote two messages to Nick. But i didnt get an answer until now
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a couple of days ago, i figured out, that during the order procedure at slickforce store they add national taxes by international customers....

i dont understand why this american supplier add 19% german tax.....
Do you mean VAT? That's normal.

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@Corey: i wrote two messages to Nick. But i didnt get an answer until now
You will probably get a quicker response from him if you sign up on the slickforce forum and post/pm him there.
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Hi all

Interesting here:-)

I think we all have to respect the work of Nick.
Nobody have to buy the dvd.

I think the dvd was not done for people who are learning in forums and communitys.
Nick cant create new tools, nick cant create new techniques.

I am sure that every techniques was already done by someone.
But Nik can show his experience.
And words/experience can be more valuable then a tutorial.

- If you like to get techniques for retouchung the skin.....you will find the best tutorial here in this forum .
- If you like to get techniques for dodging and burning..... you will find the best tutorials here in this forum

Dont buy a dvd if you just like to see tutorials.
But buy a dvd if you like to see how other (pro´s) work.

You can trust me.... i saw more then 50 dvd tutorials and produced more then 5 dvd tutorials by myself.
If you do expect the wrong stuff.... you do not help the trainer by buying his dvd.

By the way.... i do not saw the dvd and i do not know Nick.
But who knows.... maybe i will buy the dvd one day... i am very interested in seeing other peoples techniques.
You can always learn new things.
And if i learn only ONE new thing from the complete dvd what helps me a lot.... it was a good deal.

English is not my native language... sorry for the grammar.

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If you go to nick's website you will find nick's forum...
http://www.slickforce.com/forums/sho...=1301#post1301
product still in development...nothing definitive...in beta mode...release March...maybe Nick is still doing marking research to determine what to include and how to sell the product? Alot of prehype..overwhat? Concepts? We are not talking about a final product. Mark III had a lot of prehype. Check Member list..corey is Gold..how surprising. Maybe gonedonechanged has become a promoter to get a better discount..who knows...I hope he likes the product and provides us a wonderful review. For myself, there is so much more I can do with $500. I could even put it toward 50 lessons on the forum with what I consider master retouchers. Right on Cuervo.
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lol.... as I said no one posted anything concrete here. Wow march shipping date... quite allot of time. I say that if you don't have the product ready to ship, don't advertise for it because its vapor ware, PCB got stung for doing this if the DVD's producer isn't careful he'll tarnish his cred.

Good luck to gamedonechanged. I don't think he's a promoter but I do believe he thinks he's going to get extra stuff that he can't find here that is why he's decided on the DVD.
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I have seen about 4 hours of actual content...and it looked like final release quality to me. I'm sure he's still polishing parts though (c'mon...this is retouching right?) If I understand correctly, basically all the content is released end of this month via download.
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LOL See, I've been trying to be good on my word and stay OUT of this thread, since Natalia explained to me that advertising is not allowed, so I will only use this response to address a few questions that seem to remain:

While I understand that my beta-testers' comments cannot be unbiased, I hope you can see that they are in fact the only third-party sources of information at this time, so I would simply suggest that you consider them for their unique knowledge rather than assume they are all on my propaganda wagon.

@HLP: It's not me that's adding the VAT tax. That's a default addition from our merchant processor (not Slickforce) for sales originating from German IP addresses. Customers in other European countries have not had this problem, and we are looking into how to have Germany's VAT included in the price, rather than it being automatically added at checkout. I have no intention to charge Germans more.

@Cuervo: As far as shipping date, March 30 is only for the DVDs. The download, which contains identical content, is available Jan 30, and I don't miss deadlines. The DVDs may be ready earlier, but disc mastering, proofing and printing does take time. As Calvin so brilliantly inferred, the series is a culmination of tools and techniques I have used in my career (though I do stand by my belief that the Slickforce technique has not been taught before). While there are many techniques taught in this series, if you're referring to the actual Slickforce Technique, it is a combination of tools, layers, and brush strokes. It is not a one-touch filter of any sort, but becomes so intuitive with time that it is often faster than other comparable methods (and in my opinion, more believable). Furthermore, the scalability of the technique adds to its uniqueness.

In any case, I've been overwhelmed with customer responses via PM (both here at @ Slickforce forum) and e-mails from customers who are genuinely having a rough time in this economy. And I do realize that because this is a pre-order, you are taking a leap of faith by buying my series. Regardless of what side you are on, this economy is not the fault of photographers or retouchers. I've dropped the pre-order price to $299. Customers who have already purchased at the higher price will receive a credit for the difference. (NOTE: You may have to delete cookies and refresh your browser for the new price to appear)

Thanks for your invaluable feedback, support, criticism, and comments. They have all been extremely helpful.

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Nick I've looked at your website and like your work...photos and retouching. I know you are very talented and you are doing an excellent job marketing your product. However, and this is my opinion only, I still feel your product is over priced for the market. For your sake, I hope I am wrong, but personally I would not spend $300 on a training video (I have in the past...with success and with disappointment) - the contents would have to be over the top. Most training videos I see are in the $79 to $199 range. Look at the marketing for this product below..I know nothing about them, just a site I recently came upon...selling secrets...nice marketing...more detail of the content...more examples...significantly lower price. So lets say I had $300 and I was comparing your product to this one there would have to be something very special about your product to chose over this one. Again, just my opinion.. the final answer will be revenue at the end of the year.

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I downloaded that a while back, it's a great series although not really comparable to this other than I suppose the actual word 'secret'. That series is basically an end to end look for several projects, how they were done ect... In some cases (the most compelling ones) it's not even that(queue - and heres one I did earlier....) that but overall it's pretty decent.

I don't seem to see your argument, you are on one hand saying it's probably not really anything new to be unveiled and on the other you are saying it's overpriced when compared to other products in the same market. So by that rationale if it were $50 would you not mind spending money on it knowing you will still not be getting any new info? (assuming of course there isn't any new info)

I think the true answer will lie in feedback from users. I know a lot here think those beta testers that have posted are part of Nicks marketing bandwagon but at the end of the day anything you say is only based on assumption so until you actually see the content for itself it's all huff and puff moaning about a price.

And fyi no I was not given a big discount by Nick to say nice things.
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I think Nick has been pretty classy. The price was quite high. At $299 it's getting more manageable.

Obviously it's not for everyone. Maybe all his techniques can be assembled from free snippets across the internet (or not) but sometimes people are in a hurry to get on with their careers and want the info in a practical and easily digestible format.

Don't know about the rest of the country, but in my neck of the woods one university photoshop course costs around $500-600. You do get the interaction with an instructor, but I wouldn't assume them to be of Nick's caliber.

Game, I'm glad you're diving in so you can review this for the rest of us.

Nick, I hope your full release price will be affordable. I think you'd move a lot of these at $200 and with less hostility in the marketplace.

Be nice everyone, it's only Photoshop.
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I think Nick has been pretty classy. The price was quite high. At $299 it's getting more manageable.

Obviously it's not for everyone. Maybe all his techniques can be assembled from free snippets across the internet (or not) but sometimes people are in a hurry to get on with their careers and want the info in a practical and easily digestible format.

Don't know about the rest of the country, but in my neck of the woods one university photoshop course costs around $500-600. You do get the interaction with an instructor, but I wouldn't assume them to be of Nick's caliber.

Game, I'm glad you're diving in so you can review this for the rest of us.

Nick, I hope your full release price will be affordable. I think you'd move a lot of these at $200 and with less hostility in the marketplace.

Be nice everyone, it's only Photoshop.
Cheeky. But worth a try lol
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Cheeky. But worth a try lol
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Like all of us, I ultimately would love to know everything there is to know about PS and retouching. But truth be told, Glamor photography is not my specialty or primary concern. If it were I'd be more inclined to pay "whatever," to advance my career, but as a side interest I need to be more judicious with how I spend my money.

It's like anything else, the seller needs to decide how he wants to position himself in the marketplace. Some people will be attracted to a quality product at a high price and a certain level of exclusivity (think any luxury good), but if they lower the price, it broadens the market to many more potential buyers.

Personally, I've never wanted to compete at the bottom of the market with the cheapest price, so I understand completely if Nick wants to position himself at the top of the market.

One has to run some numbers and determine what price point best represents their brand, and how broad a market on wants to reach. I get it that Nick's techniques are applicable to any type of retouching, but the price is not applicable to any type of retoucher. He has to decide who he wants his market base to consist of (all working glamor pros and wannabees, vs anyone with a significant interest in retouching) and price accordingly.

I just speak for myself as a professional photographer with a significant interest in retouching, but someone who is not convinced this will advance my skills appreciably. $200 is a justifiable risk to me, $500+ is not.

But Nick seems like a good guy and a smart cat whichever way he goes.
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Nick, I think Flashtones has articulated very well the question that many potential buyers are asking themselves: What is the Quid Pro Quo in your product offering and is it worth it?
I could purchase your product but will not consider purchasing it because the product information you have provided falls way way short of my expectations and probably most other potential buyers.
If you would like to see what I would consider the benchmark and world class (product info), check out the link below. It is a 7 hours of video training by Chris Orwig titled Photoshop CS4 Retouching: Fashion Photography which is offered on Lynda.com. The outline shows the content and run length of almost 100 videos covered in the 7 hours. You, and anyone else can select and view up to any 10 of those videos for free before the server will ask you to sign up. Chris has also produced a 20+ hour video series on Lynda.com titled Photoshop CS4 Retouching Essential Training. You can view the list of >100 topics and also view complete video samples. In other words you get a really good feel for what you are buying, the skill level it's aimed at, and have a good sense of whether you will get your money's worth.
For your information, a one month subscription to the entire Lynda.com 440,000 video library is only $25 and customers are only obligated to one month at a time. That means for $25 you can enjoy the 28 hours of Chris' training noted above.
David Cuerdon, has just released a Retouching DVD for $59. He is well known in the industry and is well acredited.
These are some of the competitive forces you are up against.
I do not expect that all of these retouching trainings should be under $100. I have purchased some that were more expensive and have attended live sessions that cost a lot more. I have no pre-judgement of your offering but I would definitely not consider buying it given the minimal product information you have provided. Here is the link -
http://www.lynda.com/home/DisplayCourse.aspx?lpk2=46312
I do wish you luck with your sales.
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Thanks for the links MM. Although I just had a look at the David Cuerdon DVD and there doesn't seem to be any information at all other than a few paragraphs and a picture of the DVD cover.
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gamedonechanged: I found this link with samples and list of chapters (and their lenghts) from David Cuerdon's DVD: http://www.kelbytraining.com/player/index.html#149 (just basic stuff I think... but $59 is really a good price).

BTW, I just found this tutorials which are more interesting and are for free:
http://nienna1990.deviantart.com/journal/
You can learn how to retouch like this and you don't have to rob a bank: http://nienna1990.deviantart.com/gallery/

Anyway, I like Nick's work, but I would like to know more about his DVD. At least list of chapters of all the lessons and some before/after pics.
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Hi Gamechanged, this link will take you to a chapter by chapter index of what is on the 3 hour DVD. There is a button to click to see an introduction and description by David Cuerdon. There are discounts available off the $69 list price. If you are a member of NAPP, the special membership price is $34.99
Here is the Kelby link I mentioned abobe.
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If you are interested in the National Association of Photoshop Professionals, you can visit www.photoshopuser.com
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mistermonday, I'm seeing $54.99 for members. Is there a code to get it for less?

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Hi Flashtones, are you a registered member of NAPP? If you are, please send me a PM
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Thanks, Murray. I'm not a member, but I'm thinking of joining if the discounts add up. Do you find it a good value?
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Hi Flashtones. For members, there is a 15% discount on all Adobe products. There are discounts on all of the popular new releass of image editing s/w & plugins. For example Topaz recently offered it latest bundle (7 Topaz products) for a 60% discount to members. Same on training material etc. So in my case, the discounts more than recovered the membership fee. If you tend to buy this stuff, the ROI is very good.
The Photoshop User magazine, now available electronically (Zinio Reader) as well as in printed form, is full of good reading, keeps you up to date on new product releases and industry events and is $16.95 per copy on the newstand. For many people, the magazine alone is worth the membership cost.
3rd party s/w and service providers (print houses), hardware vendors, etc view the NAPP community as a great source for new customers and feedback on new products. As such they offer discounts to attract them.
For the beginner and intermediate Photoshopper, there is a rather substantial library of video and pdf tutorials.
There is a help desk to ask simple and complex PS questions and you will always recv a response.
The NAPP staff also put up a ton of info and video help as soon as the latest version of Photoshop is released.
Members can have exposure to people and events in the industry that they might not otherwise have.
"Should I be a NAPP member" is a question that comes up on many forums. Like everything else some people find value while others determine that they do not need the services, knowledge, or discounts.
You need to check out their site and feel free to ask the NAPP staff any questions. You should be able to get a good feel if the $99 membership is of value to you.
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Thanks, MM, It's probably about time I give NAPP a shot, especially with updates to Photoshop and Lightroom around the corner.
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Flashtones, there is a high probabilty that you will find it worthwhile at least for the 1st year.
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As Mistermonday said...the magazine alone is worth the membership. They also have very good tutorials on the different tools offered in photoshop.
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WELL I GOT THE DVD for 300 today! and i love nicks work, met him and his studio team. so id get that... that high end one SUCKED ASS
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Have you already got the DVD itself? Lucky!!! :-) How is it?
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Have you already got the DVD itself? Lucky!!! :-) How is it?

no its ready come jan 30 to download. i dont know why people compare his cd to the tuts on this site. some of those are crappy , o soft dior this and that...RIGHT BLUR TOOLS! he does not do that. i know one of his studio photographers who shoots silver.... NO NO NO NO! they dont use those methods and people love NICK thats why he has 100 covers and some people on here have NONE.
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Old 01-14-2010, 05:21 AM
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Re: Mastering Retouching DVD by Nick Saglimbeni.

I pre ordered it too recently. I hope it's as good as you say. :-)

Although I must say regarding the High End Retouching, the vol 2 (most recent) is not by the same guy who done the original DVD. You are right to slate that but I don't think you can compare the vol2 to that.

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Re: Mastering Retouching DVD by Nick Saglimbeni.

lol what rage! I don't remember anyone talking about the dior look, they (me included) did talk about the degrunge technique or if you want to give it more flair the "high/low frequency separation" LOL

Good luck with the DVD if you like it and adore the producer more power to you
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Old 01-14-2010, 11:39 AM
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Re: Mastering Retouching DVD by Nick Saglimbeni.

some 1 did say something about the dior look.

PPL R CHEAP so many photographers charge an arm and a leg for RATES and cant even get their lighting right or RETOUCH AT ALL.. "uuuh uuuh thats so plastic looking, so uhh unbookable, yea because most cant do it" i know one of the testers AND SHE gets everything just needs to practice more.

i think its a good deal since his class is 3500!!!!!!! when hes putting it all on dvd which i have known to see him doing for more then a year now...meaning getting it ready.

ppl r so quick to put a filter, blur something, SHARPEN incorrectly...


im sorry but y would some one offer TOP techniques that GET THEM BOOKED FOR FREE! thats taking money out of their pockets...

so dont bad mouth the DVD until you get it and try it. shesh its 300 compared to the 1st highend which was over 6 and USELESS.


id rather buy a dvd from someone who has credits in mags, imbd, google them and celebs goto him for everything.


and he is really sucessfull at getting girls to pay $$$$ for his modelkamp

cus he is FRANKLY the shit!!! so is NAT!

cheap asses always want something free and charge an arm and a leg for a freakin blur low res noisy photo. AM I RIGHT? um im sure more than half of us on here has a retouching MM account or charge 25 per image when you should be charging a DOLLAR

IF ANY1 GETS MAD THAT MEANS IM TELLING THE TRUTH OR U WOULD NOT BE ON THE DEFENSE.



ps. i adore several photographers and retouchers and yes he is one of them. anyman who can get women to spend 1400 on ONE LOOK for glamour is brilliant.

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Old 01-14-2010, 01:32 PM
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Re: Mastering Retouching DVD by Nick Saglimbeni.

Giving my opinion on what I thought the web page presented, the video about changing the color of the bra, and the description of the topics. Isn't the same as bad mouthing.

Is it your opinion that "Volume 6: The Sh*t No One Else Will Teach You!" is true? Specially when you then see the details of the lesson
"Now you're ready for your Black Belt in Retouching. Tackle the "touchy subject" problem-areas that no one else will discuss. Stretchmarks, back fat, neck twists, veins, discolored hand and feet, freckles, moles, ashiness, frizzy hair, and jewelry removal."

I don't know about you but most of that I learned before tackling skin smoothing techniques like D&B, blur, degrunge, high low separations, etc. How is the use of the healing, patch and clone tools "The Sh*t No One Else Will Teach You!"

Yes the producer of the DVD has the liberty to use whatever language, phrases and marketing to allure clients to see and buy his product, but that doesn't mean when someone in a forum asks about what do people think, other people won't point at what they see wrong or "fishy".

As I said if you feel good about the purchase and you like the producer of the DVD more power to you.
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Re: Mastering Retouching DVD by Nick Saglimbeni.

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lol what rage! I don't remember anyone talking about the dior look, they (me included) did talk about the degrunge technique or if you want to give it more flair the "high/low frequency separation" LOL
I was allway wondering - what does it mean "high/low frequency separation"?
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