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How much time do you need to retouch one photo?

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Old 01-04-2010, 07:48 AM
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Re: How much time do you need to retouch one photo

If you take 20 hours per photo you're fired, unless the publication is about the retouching itself or you are doing a movie poster (not many jobs there).

Normal fashion client (say bikini shot), 300 photos taken: To deliver 20 photos you dont have more than 2 or 3 days. Selection process takes a long time. You send prints to the client almost right off the camera. Client's creative director will have a look and will normally mark on the prints with a marker the things that need retouching. They ask for a looooot of liquifying. Then, the prints are sent back to the studio, with the retouching markings/notes. Then, from that moment you have a couple days till you send the prints again for approval.

It is different to shoot fashion for a single page ad than it is to make a full editorial of say 10 photos of fashion photography. On the first case, you do have more time to achieve the whole effect, cause it is that, an effect, that you are creating. But, man, when they just need to sell clothes, they couldnt care less about special effects and retouching. If there make up is not there, then your problem is not the retouching, it's the make up artist. If the skin is shit, that girl shouldn't have been a model in the first place. If you need to create fancy backgrounds with photoshop, then you should take more time choosing locations.

You should all get subscriptions to vogue, mari claire and those magazines to get an idea of the kind of retouching that is mostly requested in the real world. In the real world, most of the work is done before they press the shutter on the camera.
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Old 01-04-2010, 08:06 AM
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Re: How much time do you need to retouch one photo

Here is what 7 minutes gets you.

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/3200/img9258b.jpg
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Old 01-04-2010, 08:35 AM
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Is it straight up color correction or do we need to apply a treatment?
Pal, would you like to explain the difference between these parameters?
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Old 01-04-2010, 08:49 AM
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Normal fashion client (say bikini shot), 300 photos taken: To deliver 20 photos you dont have more than 2 or 3 days.
Are you sure? I did the math for 20 photos and for 2 days (48 hours), workin straight you have 2,4 hours per picture and 3,6 hours for 3 days (72 hours).

Many professionals takes around 20 hours minimum, but that will depend on the purpose of the picture. I recently had a client and I explained him that the job will take between 25 hours for one picture and 35 hours for the other and passed him the price for that and the list of items to retouch. He told the price was out of his budget, so I arranged the items list to match his budget and, in consequence, the time to 1 hour per picture. I should ask him about the purpose of the pictures first, before giving him a price, however, all the stuff is planned in how much perfect the image should look in relation to its purpose. For 1 hour per picture of retouching, just global changes can be applyed and only over the skin and theets, plus some minor details in clothes and hair using fast techniques, nothing in detail and forget D&B.
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Old 01-04-2010, 09:30 AM
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they just need to sell clothes, they couldnt care less about special effects and retouching. If there make up is not there, then your problem is not the retouching, it's the make up artist. If the skin is shit, that girl shouldn't have been a model in the first place. If you need to create fancy backgrounds with photoshop, then you should take more time choosing locations.
You're right on this, but lot of photographers don't take that into account.
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Old 01-04-2010, 09:34 AM
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Re: How much time do you need to retouch one photo

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You should all get subscriptions to vogue, mari claire and those magazines to get an idea of the kind of retouching that is mostly requested in the real world. In the real world, most of the work is done before they press the shutter on the camera.
LOL @ that

in the real world nothing goes to "those magazines" without at least 3 hours of retouch.

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Old 01-04-2010, 09:59 AM
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LOL @ that

in the real world nothing goes to "those magazines" without at least 3 hours of retouch.

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That's what i said. Someone said 20 hours per photo is normal. I said that, if someone at the studio took 20 hours per photo for fashion photography, he'd be fired and/or laughed at.

2-3 hours is ok.
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Old 01-04-2010, 10:10 AM
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Re: How much time do you need to retouch one photo

Here's an example:
http://www.marieclaire.com/cm/mariec...ories-1-de.jpg
That's your average everyday fashion editorial assignment. That print went to client's creatives who made notes requesting detailed retouching. Then, when it came back to the photog/retoucher, all he had to do is the small changes that the client wanted. Liquify this and that. Match the color of the lips and the purse, make the sweater more purple. BAM, done. Bikini line, clean it.. BAM! That's it.

That is a well lit, well posed, well produced photo of the right model with the right makeup and the right clothes. I would never imagine a client asking to change her hairstyle in photoshop (although we should be able to face such request).

Real world photoshop for fashion photography is very different than what we pursue in retouching as a hobby. One thing is to sell yourself as a fashion retoucher through amazing pieces of art for your personal website, and another one is to have made it and work in the real world where there just isn't enough time to take 20 hours per photo.
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Old 01-04-2010, 10:13 AM
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Re: How much time do you need to retouch one photo

Beauty retouching takes longer than retouching normal people which takes longer than retouching images with agency models, muas, stylists etc.

I find the normal people like tv show stars hardest cause they are picky but they dont have the set up
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Old 01-04-2010, 10:28 AM
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LOL @ that

in the real world nothing goes to "those magazines" without at least 3 hours of retouch.

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Good bitchslap.
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