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Old 01-06-2010, 12:02 AM
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Fine Art Vs Creativity in photoshop.

Hi All,

As I'm getting experience in retouching I see that the fine art students are more creative in photohsop than regular persons like me. I know most of the tools and many common techniques (some or most common and some from advance artist).

what if I want to do fine art course but I don't want to invery 3-4 years to attend the classroom.

My main question is : is there any institutes or organisation who provides crash courses of fine arts etc. for digital manipulation using photoshop, Corel Painted, illustrator or 3D progorams. ???????

May be my question are silly for you, but I'm not much more advance users so please help to find out answer.

Thank you
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Old 01-06-2010, 02:23 AM
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Re: Fine Art Vs Creativity in photoshop.

You could try these (free PDF) tutorials at ImagineFX, it's more about art than Photoshop. I think you'll need to create an account to access them.

HTH

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Old 01-06-2010, 09:04 AM
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Re: Fine Art Vs Creativity in photoshop.

Its very nice topics, anybody have links for video tutorials for the same thing?
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Old 01-07-2010, 04:01 AM
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Re: Fine Art Vs Creativity in photoshop.

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Its very nice topics, anybody have links for video tutorials for the same thing?
I know it sounds a cop out but use google or search in you tube there are lots of video's out there, then you can choose the subjects that you want.

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Old 01-08-2010, 12:53 AM
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Re: Fine Art Vs Creativity in photoshop.

Dude, the thing is simple, or you have the talent or you don't. Art students do crap because Art is something that cannot be studyed, there are no technics to be artistic, you must have passion and love for what you do, not techniques. Techniques comes as a consequence of your passion and love for what you do, which is express your self so, you also must have something to say, something that moves you so much as for being all the day trying to say it in the best and most understandeable way possible and that's art.

Leave ciollege for the uninspired.

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Old 01-08-2010, 03:19 AM
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Re: Fine Art Vs Creativity in photoshop.

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Dude, the thing is simple, or you have the talent or you don't. Art students do crap because Art is something that cannot be studyed, there are no technics to be artistic, you must have passion and love for what you do, not techniques. Techniques comes as a consequence of your passion and love for what you do, which is express your self so, you also must have something to say, something that moves you so much as for being all the day trying to say it in the best and most understandeable way possible and that's art.

Leave ciollege for the uninspired.

Mart
I'm going to have to disagree with you somewhat. To a degree yes, art cannot be learned, it is something you're born with. But to say "you're an artist so you know how to use photoshop" well that is just not true. Learning to use photoshop is like learning an art technique. If you learn how to draw, it will improve your retouching skills as well. If you learn calligraphy, it will certainly improve the way you work with a wacom pen.

Do you need a 4 year degree to be artistic? Hell no. Does some knowledge of art styles and techniques help to be a better retoucher? Hell yes.

My advice, look at stuff you like, find out how they were made. Let the inspiration of the artist inspire you to push yourself further.

And if you have no inspiration to make stuff, well then you're screwed :P
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Old 01-08-2010, 03:35 AM
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I'm going to have to disagree with you somewhat. To a degree yes, art cannot be learned, it is something you're born with. But to say "you're an artist so you know how to use photoshop" well that is just not true. Learning to use photoshop is like learning an art technique. If you learn how to draw, it will improve your retouching skills as well. If you learn calligraphy, it will certainly improve the way you work with a wacom pen.

Do you need a 4 year degree to be artistic? Hell no. Does some knowledge of art styles and techniques help to be a better retoucher? Hell yes.

My advice, look at stuff you like, find out how they were made. Let the inspiration of the artist inspire you to push yourself further.

And if you have no inspiration to make stuff, well then you're screwed :P
Yeah, there are techniques, but that's the less important in order to succes as artist. The passion and inspiation leads you to learn the techniques but not the other way around. That was what I said, esentially.

If somebody asks where to study in order to become an artist I will say that that cannot be studyed. Now the techniques yes, they have to be studyed but's not essential. Art is all about perception and feellings, it's subjective and metaphoric/symbolic languaje, it's not a science but it has implicit that thing in some manner. For example, harmony is the mathematical relation between frecuencies, which can be measured throug an oscilloscope, and the music compositor does a lot of mathematical thinking in order to compose a piece, but he's not aware of oscilloscopes and frecuenices while composing or playing music. With visual art is the same thing.

Btw, I have write something months ago and it's that the professional knows what he does while the artist just not. And of course, the difference in between which draws a professional and the artist are the results.
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Old 01-09-2010, 05:49 AM
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Re: Fine Art Vs Creativity in photoshop.

Yeah, Art does not need any degree but to improve the art and go to next level I think courses play very important roles. if we work harder and invent the things which is already invented its a waste of time so rather than learn and practise which is already in market we must have to learn them directly and than practise on them is good for any type of art.

that's why I'm looking for the individual or any college which is near to my location who offering crash courses for fine art or digital art etc. .........
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Old 01-09-2010, 07:09 AM
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Re: Fine Art Vs Creativity in photoshop.

My spin...one needs passion, creativity, experience (trying/failing/redoing), continuous learning and if you want to make any money: luck and/or good marketing skills (again learning).
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Old 01-09-2010, 07:52 AM
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Re: Fine Art Vs Creativity in photoshop.

Hey Indiasfotoart,

IMO. An artist eye is essential. Painting, drawing and sculpture classes show you how to look at, and see things differently. Your hands are just what you use to get what your eye sees. Whether it's a brush or a mouse, you still have to know what "good" looks like.

Photoshop is an art program. It has most of the tools and none of the mess of fine art. I wish all retouchers would take (at least some) fine art classes, because at the end of the day we need to SEE whether something looks good or not.

The biggest difference between fine art and retouching is good retouchers get paid for what you DON'T see.

Good luck, bp

PS. If you're in a big hurry to "learn art" and make a whole bunch of money, please disregard my post.
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