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Old 01-06-2010, 02:03 AM
amymonel amymonel is offline
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I was bored!

So I decided to retouch something from an old stash...

Critiques welcome

http://everground.com/random/retouch2.jpg
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Old 01-06-2010, 11:49 AM
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Re: I was bored!

I like. Can you give a summary of what you did? I feel like it would get even more dramatic if you pushed the retouch further as far as the skin and lips go. Really refine the skin to a more dramatic and glamorous level, and the lips a little more veluptuous and shimmering as well. Good stuff.
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Old 01-06-2010, 11:28 PM
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Re: I was bored!

Well mostly just the skin. I did fixed her nose, added lower lashes, slimmed her face... I pretty much re-draw her face with different texture brushes and mashed it in different layers. For color, I just mainly desaturated it a little bit, and changed the colors and levels.

How should i push the skin further? Her face took me like an hour and half to make that texture lol
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Old 01-06-2010, 11:53 PM
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Re: I was bored!

Okay here's another one i tweaked with

http://everground.com/random/sy.jpg
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Old 01-07-2010, 01:32 PM
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Re: I was bored!

in the first one I guess it makes more sense now if you were trying for a certain look/effect. But typically in high end retouching you would TAKE AWAY, not add texture from the face to smooth it out and achieve the "perfect" look. in the second one, though you've done some good things, you've added a lot of emphasis to the texture that is there as well as artificial texture you seem to have added using noise filters which gives the appearance of imperfect skin and clumpy makeup..
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Old 01-07-2010, 03:50 PM
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Re: I was bored!

"But typically in high end retouching you would TAKE AWAY"

This is debatable and not entirely true, there are far more approaches and opinions to High end retouching. The photos above is pretty dead on.. KUDOS!
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Old 01-08-2010, 03:18 AM
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Re: I was bored!

I agree with Antonio with the whole high-end retouching.
its sticky :P
I like to keep my subject a little bit more natural looking... when i smooth it out too much it can look like a porn star XD
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Old 01-08-2010, 10:17 AM
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Re: I was bored!

Obviously there are different approaches depending on the type of photo and what the end goal is as far as style, but I think what most serious retouchers can agree on is adding obvious artificial texture with filters is a definite No No.
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Old 01-08-2010, 01:20 PM
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Re: I was bored!

When, do we know that addition and subtractions is adequate in certain workflow? Retouchers will and at times will say "Never Say Never" When zoning out during retouching and try to reach the limits of one pixels in the pallet.

As an artist like you, it is so hard for me to critique ones work, knowing that there is no right or wrong. Once upon a time, the glow look was in, then it evolved to High Range look. David Hill and Calvin Hollywood's look became a phenomenal workflow, where people used to say.. I do not like that, because it did not follow a workflow of so and so.

I do however agree with you towards borrowing a texture elsewhere is a NO NO, but I do hope that we can agree, that in some degree it blends perfectly and unnoticeable, we both can conclude that it is great retouch.

The wonderful world of retouching, simple to the one created the style, yet illusive if it is not our own..

I really like that Amy took the initiative to post the before and after, her work will evolve and so does the rest of us.
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Old 01-09-2010, 04:00 AM
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Re: I was bored!

I can see in the first image that the face is slimmer and the button of the nose is smaller. But there isn't much else to the retouch that I can see, except for some healing brush action. You seem to be relying on the desaturation to make the impact for you.

Going back to my photography school days, the instructor used to make a big deal out of getting it right in the camera. He shunned special effects that, in his mind, were designed to distract people from the flaws of the image. Get the image right. THEN add your effects, like toning, dodging, burning, etc.

Concerning the first image, that is how I feel with what I see. Much more could have been done to the image to give it a magazine-like quality, regardless of the look you are going for (be it the Hollywood glow, the glamour porcelein (<- spelling?) doll, or the natural look).

The second image looks good, but I might have tried to reshape the head on the top left of the frame to round it out a bit. It looks like there's a lump in her hair. You might also note that on her right cheek under the eye, the highlights are blown. The original had texture there. The retouch lost it.
The other more significant thing I would note is that the style of the retouched image itself suggests that porcelein doll look. Anyone is welcome to use any style that suits them, but this high fashion look demands that perfect, smooth skin, and to leave that out makes it look like an imperfect retouch rather than one artist's interpretation versus another's, if you understand what I mean.
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