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Old 01-14-2010, 08:15 PM
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First d&b retouch

Hi everyone, this is my first post on here and also my first attempt at a full d&b retouch.

I've attached 3 pics, and very much welcome your comments and critique as well as some pointers for improvement.

The first attachment is my starting image.

The second image includes some liquify (nose, chin, and bra filling), healing, hair tidy, and lots (2.5 days worth) of d&b.

The final attachment includes desaturation, sharpening etc.

I would particularly welcome advice on how I can improve the quality of the hair. I found that dodging just made the hair lighter rather than shinier looking...
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Old 01-14-2010, 09:39 PM
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Re: First d&b retouch

Hi roone, first post, welcome.

Image selection is as important as your actual technique when showing your work. I suggest you start off with a good 100% crop of an area of face to show us how you dealt with d&b at the different sizes of detail. That way it's easier for the rest of us to comment.
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Old 01-15-2010, 07:38 PM
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Re: First d&b retouch

Hi flexmanta, thanks for replying.

Maybe it's better to see the higher res versions on flickr.

It's pretty difficult to fit everything into a 100k file on here.

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d&b

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Old 01-17-2010, 08:50 PM
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Re: First d&b retouch

anyone?

i'd particularly like pointers for hair improvement....
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Old 01-18-2010, 01:32 PM
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Re: First d&b retouch

I don't personally see too much d+b, and what I do see seems to begin getting blown out in your final image. I would try adding a little more depth with either more d+b, or luminance curves to make the face pop. For the hair, try 2 curves set to linear dodge, and linear burn respectively and paint on the mask to bring in some depth. its kind of a matter of practice. Some good bits tho, especially the skin clean up.
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Old 01-18-2010, 07:44 PM
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Re: First d&b retouch

Thanks for your comments rsvrdogg86.

I'll try the linear curve adjustments for the hair as you suggest and see how I get on.

The d&b I did was pretty extensive, although mainly for fixing the skin.
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Old 01-19-2010, 12:10 AM
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I suggested you upload a full size version to some server and link it here, or if you wanna upload it here, make some 100% resolution crops so we can see.
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Old 01-19-2010, 07:28 AM
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Re: First d&b retouch

I agree with rsvr. I think you did great on the blemishes and overall body retouching, but you lose it with the rest. From what I can see your highlights are blown, especially in the eyes (which are a flat, pure white). I realize that the original shot was already very close to over already, but maybe part of the process here should be restoring detail to the hot areas too!

Aside from that, I would like to see more detail in the hair it feels a little blurry to me.

Keep it up!
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Old 01-19-2010, 09:47 AM
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Re: First d&b retouch

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Thanks for your comments rsvrdogg86.

I'll try the linear curve adjustments for the hair as you suggest and see how I get on.

The d&b I did was pretty extensive, although mainly for fixing the skin.
I'm seeing that more and more people are using d+b for actual skin retouching in addition to or in place of light/dark cloning or curves so thats where the confusion was. I'm used to it being used more of a contouring tool.
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Old 01-19-2010, 12:57 PM
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Re: First d&b retouch

OK, as suggested, I've revisited the original raw file and pulled in more detail from the eyes. There wasn't a lot there, the eyes were pretty white from the start, but I think by adding what detail there was helps with the flat apearance that they had.

I've also brought back some of the original hair. Mt attempts at tidying the hair up had dulled it down a lot. I've also added a little contrast to it to try and make it stand out more.

Thanks for all the comments so far.
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