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Old 02-04-2010, 05:15 AM
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No you didn't ask anyone for a retouch. But you did ask for advice on Beauty retouching and posted an example. The hours that it will take you to do a full beauty work up will probably not make the subject look any better than she does already with this image. I am sure her mother loves her but the subject here has a protruding and rounded chin and a large forehead and nose. The angle of the shot does not flatter and only emphasises those facial features with this subject. To re-touch beauty it has to be their in the first place which in the context of image selection is not to be confused with inner beauty. I think your work would be cut out for you trying to turn a family portrait into a beauty work-up. I think that some images are worth spending the time on and others not which of course is a very subjective view point. Maybe a different shot taken from a different angle would be more likely to flatter her rounded facial features and would justify some more time and effort
Noted - but to give you some context, this was a crop from a shot at a recent test shoot, the girl is a professional model and very pretty. The angle here may not flatter, but it was not intended to, but rather to give an indication of the tonality of the skin and make up in order for others to get a feel for what I was trying to work with.
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Old 02-04-2010, 08:37 AM
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Noted - but to give you some context, this was a crop from a shot at a recent test shoot, the girl is a professional model and very pretty. The angle here may not flatter, but it was not intended to, but rather to give an indication of the tonality of the skin and make up in order for others to get a feel for what I was trying to work with.
That's the problem if your intent was not to flatter then how do you expect to achieve a beauty look ?

Their is no reason why skin tonality and make-up cannot be made the focal point of a beauty image but however much skin work is undertaken with the given example crop or not and the way you constructed the shot means their is no viable way to turn the image into something that it is not.

The world is full of pretty girls a few of them become models and even fewer still can work as Hair & Beauty models. It's rare but not unknown for a girl that can carry glamour & trade to be able to work Pro Beauty and these models are called cross-overs. It's more likley to find a commercial lifestyle model who does not meet the stats for fashion that can cross to Beauty.
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Old 02-04-2010, 08:47 AM
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That's the problem if your intent was not to flatter then how do you expect to achieve a beauty look ?

Their is no reason why skin tonality and make-up cannot be made the focal point of a beauty image but however much skin work is undertaken with the given example crop or not and the way you constructed the shot means their is no viable way to turn the image into something that it is not.

The world is full of pretty girls a few of them become models and even fewer still can work as Hair & Beauty models. It's rare but not unknown for a girl that can carry glamour & trade to be able to work Pro Beauty and these models are called cross-overs. It's more likley to find a commercial lifestyle model who does not meet the stats for fashion that can cross to Beauty.
You have missed the point - this shot was an out take from the shoot and was used to illustrate the skin and make up situation, nothing more and nothing less.

I used it as I felt it was a good example of the skin issue I was asking about - not because I fancy turning it into something it is not..
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Old 02-04-2010, 09:08 AM
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You have missed the point - this shot was an out take from the shoot and was used to illustrate the skin and make up situation, nothing more and nothing less.

I used it as I felt it was a good example of the skin issue I was asking about - not because I fancy turning it into something it is not..
Your OP asked us all the question should you try and rescue it by smoothing or should you bin it. Simples...... Bin it
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Old 02-04-2010, 09:13 AM
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Your OP asked us all the question should you try and rescue it by smoothing or should you bin it. Simples...... Bin it
I have - but the other 100 or so I will be working on ;-)
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Old 02-06-2010, 12:18 PM
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Re: Advice on beauty image for retouch

I had a quick go at this one. Blemishes retouch, skin smoothing, eyes brightening, catchlights enhancement, color balance (less red), USM.

Get the before & after here.
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Old 02-06-2010, 12:46 PM
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Re: Advice on beauty image for retouch

Why the zip? Zips don't compress Jpegs. Why 1Mb? anything at 1000px could eeeeasily be less than 100Kb. Use the save for web tool.

About the retouch. Bluring is a horrible thing to do to human skin...

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Old 02-06-2010, 02:23 PM
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Why the zip? Zips don't compress Jpegs.
Apparently WeTransfer.com doesn't know that. I didn't zip that file. They did.

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Why 1Mb?
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anything at 1000px could eeeeasily be less than 100Kb. Use the save for web tool.
Talk about horrible...
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Old 02-06-2010, 02:51 PM
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Re: Advice on beauty image for retouch

Ok, i just hate it when it goes like this.
If you start with an image that has already been compressed down to 100Kb, no matter what you do to it, it will not look like an uncompressed raw, even if you open it in photoshop and save it with no compression. All the image quality you are retaining there, is the "perfectly well represented jpeg artifacts" that were already there.

Wetransfer is NOT the way to upload images. For sharing images outside of the forum and it's size limitations, there are well known servers that will host your image and give you a direct link that wont make you sit through a countdown, and never ever will make you download a zipfile.

If you are going to blur skin to make it a design element or just because the client want's you to (or even if you just like how it looks), do it properly. You can't just blur the crap out of a piece of skin and leave areas unmasked... look at where the hair meets the forehead, and the eyes, and well even the blurred part is not completely blurred. And it's always a good idea to extract high frecuency of the original piece to clean it and put it on top, so that it looks plastic but skinlike plastic.

And let me show you what 100Kb looks like..
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File Type: jpg 78368_fashion_6197_122_367lo.jpg (89.9 KB, 179 views)

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Old 02-10-2010, 08:23 PM
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Re: Advice on beauty image for retouch

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Split frequencies, healing brush and D&B, took about 15min.

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i dont like it yours looks dull and patchy an she still has bad skin and eyes and dark roots, girl needs her roots lightened if she cant go hairdressers , i prefer mine,oh and i dont think her eyes r overdone her eyes naturally popped out coz she has lovely eyes u have to exaggerate beauty,thats what people want to see in glossy mags and commercial advertisements HELLO,dont listen to most of the negative stuff what goes on this site because most of these guys dont have a clue about Fashion advertisement and Pr
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