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Old 02-13-2010, 01:42 PM
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Re: First Attempt at Greenberg Effect?

when you read my posts before than you´ll see what i prefer for my style.(i wrote it down) it is not a problem to integrate those smoothing look.
In some pictures (selfportraits) in the fotocommunity you can see a little bit of them on clothes.
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Old 02-13-2010, 01:46 PM
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Re: First Attempt at Greenberg Effect?

yes i mean you can create the "plug in Highpass" (in your words) without highpass. its a combination of other original ps filters.
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Old 02-13-2010, 02:16 PM
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Re: First Attempt at Greenberg Effect?

Flexmanta, what's wrong with the high pass filter? that's something that would be interesting to know.

With regards to flat images I am believing that there is no entirely flat images (with 100% uniform luma) you are ever going to shoot (unless you shoot in complete darkness with no flash) so that there is always some luma information that makes the picture readable that can be manipulated as to obtain an image that appears less flat from which you can then start for getting the Hill or Greenberg looks.

If I understand your desire to know Photoshop up and down and be able to do the most with it's buit-in tools, and admittedly you know it quite well, for the reasons you say, it strikes me that you categorically reject even the notion you could use third party plugins. I think that is some mental rigidity from yours you should get rid off IMO (I hope I don't offend you saying that as it is not meant to). And of course I don't mean by this to say that you should use portraiture for skin work or Nik Color effects for color adjustments which I am agreing with you and TimeActor are the perfect examples of, shall I say, useless/dangerous plugins.
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Old 02-13-2010, 02:28 PM
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Re: First Attempt at Greenberg Effect?

you´re right when you say "useless/dangerous".
any external plugin makes you dependently i think.
i mean your style is nothing when you have not the prefered external plug in.
thats why i´m with you and say useless and dangerous too ;-)
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Old 02-13-2010, 03:44 PM
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Re: First Attempt at Greenberg Effect?

What's wrong with the highpass filter built into Photoshop is that it calculates the lightness information a little wrong (at least for a frequency separation).
If you want to really find out (and as well find a better approach) go take a look here: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=439098 (very great thread and worth reading it all).
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Old 02-13-2010, 03:47 PM
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Re: First Attempt at Greenberg Effect?

Here is an explanation to why the high pass filter is inaccurate for frequency separation.
On the attachment you can see 3 columns. The first column corresponds to the un-separated image (original), the second column contains the same image separated with the high pass filter and the third column contains the same image separated by using the apply image command.

On the third row, you can see the differences between the original and the separated image. As you can see, the image separated with the high pass filter is very different to the original. That doesn't happen when using the apply image command, which results in a separated image that looks exactly like the original one and is therefore a correct signal separation (Fourier series http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourier_series).
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Old 02-14-2010, 05:44 AM
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Re: First Attempt at Greenberg Effect?

I've been experimenting with the apply image alternative for the last couple of weeks, and I'm pretty damn impressed with it
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Old 02-14-2010, 06:54 AM
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Re: First Attempt at Greenberg Effect?

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Am I the only one who uses no plugins?!
No flexmanta, i don't use any plugins now. I find no need for them nor use with what i do. And yet i create better photos then those of plugins...its how you understand the core aspect of photoshop...using the right tools for the right job..
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Old 02-14-2010, 08:53 AM
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Am I the only one who uses no plugins?!
No flexmanta, you're definitely not! For starters, I wouldn't have the money to buy all these different 3rd party plugins, and wouldn't spend it on them knowing that I can achieve the same results using the tools already in PS. You just need to get to know the program really well and you will realise that there is no need to buy extra plugins, and that is a plus to your work inside of PS because in that way you really are understanding how it works and how many different ways there are to achieve the results you desire.
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Old 02-15-2010, 06:13 AM
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Re: First Attempt at Greenberg Effect?

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Here is an explanation to why the high pass filter is inaccurate for frequency separation.
On the attachment you can see 3 columns. The first column corresponds to the un-separated image (original), the second column contains the same image separated with the high pass filter and the third column contains the same image separated by using the apply image command.

On the third row, you can see the differences between the original and the separated image. As you can see, the image separated with the high pass filter is very different to the original. That doesn't happen when using the apply image command, which results in a separated image that looks exactly like the original one and is therefore a correct signal separation (Fourier series http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourier_series).
Flex, which are those techniques? Because I just know Degrunge and Splitting...
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