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Would like some feedback on this retouch pls..

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Old 02-18-2010, 09:08 AM
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Yeah, that one is much better!
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Old 02-18-2010, 09:14 AM
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Thanks very much Mart - I appreciate the feedback.

In terms of the look - I absolutely do not want a cartoon type look but am actually trying to achieve a natural look (a little like Gavin O Neill?) so am very concerned about the result..

May I ask for some clarification please;

1) Skin color is too yellow/green. - understood
2) Transitions between tones are too hard - understood
3) Needs more luminosity values in general (looks a bit flat) - How do I go about improving this ?

* By airbrushing, adding more depth to the bone structure. It's like sculpting with light more than painting with light, I must say.

4) Eyes are overdone - understood
5) Pores are almost invisible - understood
6) Skin look is too matte - how can I fix this or avoid it getting too matte ?

* Leaving some highlights and specular lights but sometimes, these factors makes the image bad looking, however, erasing them is not the solution because it gives realism to the skin. You should shape the given shinniness by D&B'ing.

7) The hair looks like painted - noted (It's not..)

* It looks too flat and blotchy, like over saturated or something like that. It needs more detail there.

8) Overall needs more airbrushing - what sort of brushing ? will this not kill the pores more ?

* No, no... Just airbrush the whole thing, sculpting the bones with D&B, not a pore level.

Why does the image not fit as high end beauty - I shot it with this purpose in mind ?

* Well... because the angle, the pose... Don't know how to describe it, but it doesn't look like a beauty shot.

Many thanks..

Peter
By the way, the message is mixed with yours, but I added an * when I replied
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Old 02-18-2010, 09:18 AM
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Still have some imperfections. Her forehead and the upper part of the nose looks too blotchy, painted-like. Around the middle of the forehead and upper part of the nose there are 3 shinny spots that should be removed and properly adde ones by D&B.

The cheek on the right looks a bit flat and the eyelayes too dark.

Overall, the lighting looks too unconsistent. You need to give more harmony to the shading by D&B.

It's better than the other one, for sure.
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Old 02-18-2010, 09:23 AM
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Quantum3: I like what you did to the image to smooth out the tonal transitions. Can you please explain what you did? Did you had a color layer?

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Just subtle degrunge for tonal transitions and some D&B-.
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Old 02-18-2010, 09:24 AM
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Still have some imperfections. Her forehead and the upper part of the nose looks too blotchy, painted-like. Around the middle of the forehead and upper part of the nose there are 3 shinny spots that should be removed and properly adde ones by D&B.

The cheek on the right looks a bit flat and the eyelayes too dark.

Overall, the lighting looks too unconsistent. You need to give more harmony to the shading by D&B.

It's better than the other one, for sure.
Thanks for that - I did spend a LOT more time on this one and felt a better understanding of the D&B coming with it.. it does take a lot of practice.

Points re the other one - noted, thanks..
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Old 02-18-2010, 10:03 AM
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Thanks for that - I did spend a LOT more time on this one and felt a better understanding of the D&B coming with it.. it does take a lot of practice.

Points re the other one - noted, thanks..
Yeah, it's more about practice and eye 'cause the technique is simple
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Old 02-18-2010, 10:10 AM
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Just subtle degrunge for tonal transitions and some D&B-.
Quqntum3, thank you for the reply. I have no idea what degrunge is and how D&B works. Can you please direct me to a tutorial on Degrunge. My confusion on D&B is:
1. Do you do D&B on a grey layer set to softlight?
2. How do you know what the level of Burn and Dodge should be? For eample, if you are trying to get rid of deep pores using D&B, how do you know how much to dodge? Same for changing tonal gradition?

Thank you much in advance
Hadi
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Old 02-18-2010, 10:18 AM
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Quqntum3, thank you for the reply. I have no idea what degrunge is and how D&B works. Can you please direct me to a tutorial on Degrunge. My confusion on D&B is:
1. Do you do D&B on a grey layer set to softlight?
2. How do you know what the level of Burn and Dodge should be? For eample, if you are trying to get rid of deep pores using D&B, how do you know how much to dodge? Same for changing tonal gradition?

Thank you much in advance
Hadi
1) No... gray layers are disgusting to me (tend to saturate all). Set 2 curve adjustment layers to luminosity and pull down the middle of one and rise the middle of the other, so one would be for dodging and the other for burning. Don't pull those so much, around half of the box is okay (you should see how much you need for D&B). Then add a black mask to each curve adjustment layer and star to paint with white in one or the other as you need to lighten or darken.

2) It's eye and practice.

Tut: http://retouchpro.com/tutorials/?m=show&id=213
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Old 02-18-2010, 11:17 AM
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1) No... gray layers are disgusting to me (tend to saturate all). Set 2 curve adjustment layers to luminosity and pull down the middle of one and rise the middle of the other, so one would be for dodging and the other for burning. Don't pull those so much, around half of the box is okay (you should see how much you need for D&B). Then add a black mask to each curve adjustment layer and star to paint with white in one or the other as you need to lighten or darken.

2) It's eye and practice.

Tut: http://retouchpro.com/tutorials/?m=show&id=213
Quantum3: Thank you for taking the time and explaining this to me. One more question please, why does the term "degrunge" mean? Is it evening out the tones?
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Old 02-18-2010, 11:32 AM
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Re: Would like some feedback on this retouch pls..

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Quantum3: Thank you for taking the time and explaining this to me. One more question please, why does the term "degrunge" mean? Is it evening out the tones?
Sort of. It means taking out all the blotchiness (posterization in form of spreaded patches of "noise") in first instance and you can also emulate the D&B with that.
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